The MBA World, According to HBS Guru by: John A. Byrne on September 23, 2010 | | 14,712 Views September 23, 2010 Copy Link Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Email Share on LinkedIn Share on WhatsApp Share on Reddit Sandy Kreisberg, aka HBS Guru, has a reputation for telling it like it is–or at least how the highly opinionated Sandy sees it. Here are some compelling excerpts of our interview from “The Rebel Savant of MBA Admissions Consulting”: COKE IS HARVARD, PEPSI IS STANFORD, AND WHARTON IS DR. PEPPER āHarvard and Stanford are like Coke and Pepsi. So Wharton has to be Dr. Pepper. Wharton is willing to go older and give more credit to applicants for what they call seasoning. They will take people who have five or six years of managerial experience which is almost a negative at Harvard and Stanford. Harvard wants younger people because they are cuter: more adoring, more susceptible to the schoolās transformational process, more impressionable, and more trainable. Recruiters want younger people for the same reasons.ā THE LIMITS OF WHAT A CONSULTANT CAN DO FOR YOU “The number of applicants at HBS and Stanford for whom a consultant can turn a ānoā into a āyesā is way smaller than most applicants and both schools would admit. The process, contrary to the mythology spread by the schools, is more pre-determined than anyone cares to admit. A consultant can stop a good many āyesā kids from becoming ānoāsā and that is one real value. A consultant can turn some āmaybeāsā into a āyes.ā And that is about all a consultant can do.” BRAIN SURGEONS ARE RARE IN THIS BUSINESS “The real difference is between not having a consultant and having a consultant. Most consultants with any kind of track record can help most applicants get the basics down and not mess up, and that is the critical part. If you need a hernia operation, well, most surgeons can do that, and it is way better than walking around with a hernia. Sure, we all like to think of ourselves as brain surgeons doing operations no one else can do. That may be true in rare cases, but mostly it is hernias.” WHY ADMISSIONS OFFICERS DONāT TELL THE TRUTH āAdmissions officers are constrained by culture and legal reasons,ā says Sandy Kreisberg, aka HBS Guru and head of Cambridge Essay Service. āThey canāt tell the truth in public. They say itās like theyāre putting together a symphony orchestra and that theyāre looking for a first violin or someone who plays the tuba. Thatās baloney. Itās a convenient imprecision. They are looking for people who will support their brand, people who have already succeeded.ā CLIENTS MOST LIKELY TO ANGER HIM āAbout 80% of your problems come from 10% of the people. The reason I wouldnāt like a client is because he is obsessive. Heās doing stuff like asking if he should list his high school GPA in parenthesis. Or, heāll say, āSandy, did you know the word count on Google Docs is different than Microsoft. One counts a dash and the other doesnāt.ā Or, the client who Iāve helped with seven drafts of a post-interview thank you note which I advised the person not to write in the first place.ā WHY HE WOULD FIRE A CLIENT AND RETURN THE MONEY āI fire about two a year. Someone who pisses me off. Someone who keeps annoying me or refuses to follow directions. Someone who says I need this is an hour. Or someone who says, āI showed this to my friendās roommate who went to Harvard and he says youāre crazy.ā Or, āmy recommender needs this in 20 minutes.ā Things like that. Let me tell you something: It feels great. Not for emotional reasons, just knowing you have the confidence to get rid of someone who is causing you inefficiency, who is taking up your time and making you unhappy. The first time I did that I said, āBoy, was that a good move.āā THE COZY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CONSULTANTS AND BUSINESS SCHOOLS āIt went from under the radar to denial. Then, what happened is that it went from āthere are too many of them and too many people are using themā to an armās length acceptance. For the time being, the schools have accommodated. Admissions directors talk to consultants. They agree to be interviewed for their websites. There is a benign explanation that goes, āYeah, sure, the advice Iām telling you in the advice on the website. The not-so-benign explanation is, āMr. Consultant, I know you advise hundreds of people so keep my school in mind if somebody asks where should I go.ā The people at Harvard and Stanford just have to select people. But once you get outside the top ten or so, it becomes acquisitions, not admissions.ā WHY PEOPLE HIRE HIM āPeople donāt hire me to get them into the University of Marylandās business school. They hire me to put a spit shine on a shoe that is already shiny. My model is you hire me to make your dream come true. My model is one night in paradise. If you really want to get married, go someplace else. People hire me for their dream school. ā THE INTRACTABLE PROBLEM OF THE ELITE MBA ADMISSIONS GAME āA problem admissions officers face is that kids who work for Boston Consulting Group or McKinsey or Morgan Stanley have a whole bunch of people who give them free advice. So the schools have to distinguish between that and some other kid who doesnāt have access to that kind of advice. Itās an intractable problem.ā HARVARD OR BUST? NOT REALLY āWhat happens is, a lot of people who arenāt getting into Harvard hire me for Harvard. They go through the application experience and then they say, āokay, letās do Columbia early decision or Michigan or Duke. And you get a lot better result.ā HOW WOULD YOU RANK THE BEST BUSINESS SCHOOLS? “Where the most people apply is the ultimate ranking. If I were to rank business schools, the Harvard/Stanford duopoly would be at the top. So let’s just say Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, Columbia, Sloan, Kellogg, and Chicago. Then, Tuck, UVA and Duke.” WHERE WOULD HE GO FOR AN MBA? “Harvard, just because itās bigger and thereās more chance of finding mistakes like myself. Seriously, Iāve been to Harvard. You meet great people there. Eight of my ten closest friends can be traced back to Harvard. That is itās ace in the hole, baby, and that will never, never, never stop. If they divided the class on the fist day and told half the kids to disappear and show up at commencement and the other half to go through the program, the recruiters wouldnāt even care. Selection is everything. Admissions is everything.” Other stories in our series on MBA admissions consulting: āSuddenly Cozy: MBA Admissions Consultants and Business Schoolsā “The Rebel Savant of MBA Admissions Consulting“ “The Cost: $6,850 Ā The Result: An Invite to a Dream B-School“ “A Yale Ethics Professor on the ‘Arms Race’ To Get Into An Elite MBA Program“ “Leading Firms in MBA Admissions Consulting“ Questions about this article? Email us or leave a comment below. Please enable JavaScript to view the comments powered by Disqus.