Handicapping Your Elite B-School Chances

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In the past four years, this 25-year-old female professional has zipped through three promotions at a national retailer where she runs a multi-million-dollar business. With a 710 GMAT and a 3.69 undergraduate grade point average, she hopes to get an MBA to broaden her skill set.

He landed a job in sales at a Silicon Valley start-up after graduating with a degree in political science from Stanford University two years ago. With a 720 GMAT and a 3.13 GPA, this 23-year-old male professional now hopes to get an MBA to assist with a desired career change into the government sector.

After working for a blue chip bank as a junior trader and then a salesperson, this 29-year-old woman fell on hard times. Unemployed in London for six months, she is hoping to get into a top business school to restart a stalled career.

Sandy Kreisberg, HBS Guru, in Harvard Square

Sandy Kreisberg, HBS Guru, in Harvard Square

What these MBA applicants share in common is the goal to get into one of the world’s best business schools. Do they have the raw stats and experience to get in? Or will they get dinged by their dream schools?

Sanford “Sandy” Kreisberg, founder of MBA admissions consulting firm HBSGuru.com, is back again to analyze these and a few other profiles of actual MBA applicants who have shared their vital statistics with Poets&Quants.

As usual, Kreisberg handicaps each potential applicant’s odds of getting into a top-ranked business school. If you include your own stats and characteristics in the comments, we’ll pick a few more and have Kreisberg assess your chances in a follow-up feature. (Please add your age and be clear on the sequence of your jobs in relaying work experience. Make sure you let us know your current job.) This feature typically appears weekly on Fridays.

Sandy’s candid analysis: 

Ms. Retail

 

  • 710 GMAT (Q42, V45) AWA 5.5
  • 3.69 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in English and French from a Midwest private “Ivy”
  • Work experience includes three and one-half years with a national retailer based in New York, currently as a mid-level executive who manages a high profile, high volume business; promoted three times with experience in all aspects of the retail/supply chain world
  • Extracurricular involvement is limited, but it does include a few key experiences such as mentoring three company employees and volunteering once a week at the local public school; held sorority leadership positions and belonged to honor societies in college
  • Goal: To broaden my skill set outside
of the retail supply chain.
  • “Unlike many other applicants, I have actually 
run a multi-million dollar business within my organization, as opposed to
just invested in one. I would ultimately like to transition to 
strategy/brand management and focus on long-term planning, as well as 
gain international business experience”
  • 25-year-old white female

Odds of Success:

Harvard: 30% to 40%
Stanford: 20% to 30%
Northwestern: 50+%
New York: 60+%
Columbia: 50+%
Wharton: 40%
MIT: 40% to 50%

Sandy’s Analysis: Jeepers, it is all here except your goals. This is a tight and interlinked story, basically, liberal arts major comes to New York and is a hit in the rag business, the real business, not a designer or model: “currently a mid-level executive for . .  . national retailer, based in New York. I have been 
promoted three times in the last 3.5 years and have experience in all 
aspects of the retail/supply chain world. I currently manage a high-profile, high-volume business and have a proven track record of achieving plans and strategies.”

Why mess with that? It’s gold. Every business school needs someone like that, and your stats, a balanced 710 GMAT and a 3.69 at a near-Ivy are totally solid.  The only thing which I am unclear about is your goals. You say you want to “broaden my skill set outside of Retail/Supply Chain. Unlike many other applicants, I have actually run a multi-million dollar business within my organization, as opposed to just invested in one. [Touche!]  I would ultimately like to transition to strategy/brand management and focus on long-term planning, as well as gain international business experience.”

What does that mean? Why don’t you just say you want to be an impactful and innovative leader in the retail/apparel business like Ladies 1, 2 and 3 (find some role models) –“this is the first result for a search for “women leaders in retail” – and, as well, address such emerging apparel  issues as e-commerce, sweatshops, sustainable sourcing and practices. I’m making that up, but you get the idea. Just latch onto whatever the key hot-button issues you see in your space, and say you want to address them.  Consulting or international experience can be the stepping stones to reaching such goals but your long-term goals need to be as an impactful leader.

You got a great story, and with the right heavy breathing about your goals and female empowerment, and helping clean up the supply chain, the sky is the limit.  Like many people who have been stuck at a real job for three years, you need to think bigger.

You say: “Limited extracurriculars: I mentor three employees in my company. I volunteer once a week at the local public school.” That is enough, with the right spin. You could write an entire HBS essay about either of those experiences. For example, how you are a solid volunteer in New York City Public Schools, but could have done WAY more, like gotten your company interested, gotten more folks also to volunteer, been more innovative in programs you worked with.

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  • NanoITnerd

    Dear Sandy,

    Would love your insight:

    - 710 GMAT – 92% (66%Q, 92%V) (Puzzling over whether I should retake, though I mismanaged my time on the math section)

    - Grew up in small town in middle east, graduating class of 15 in middle school, went to Boarding School in Canada for highschool, Head prefect and Valedictorian.

    - Undergrad in pre-med at a top Canadian university (3.75 GPA), with 2 senior thesis projects. Top merit based entrance scholarship (Awarded to 40 out of 3000 entrants)

    - Master’s at University of Toronto in Biophysics and Nanotechnology (3.7)

    - Joined a Fortune 100 Financial Services multinational based in Europe as part of their management talent training program

    - Began in internal consulting group, working on board level strategy focusing on the IT organization (Consolidation of some areas, divestment of others)

    - Transitioning into project management, executing on the strategy initially worked on. This lead to managing an international team through the IT activities related to the divestment of many business units

    - Recruited to a middle-management role in the new corporate IT greenfield setup as a result of this project. Built up a service management organization serving 6 Business lines internationally, hired a team of 11, embedded IT processes across the datacenter and new IT organization. I report into a CIO and work directly with many others in the organization, including the Group CIO.

    - Limited extracurriculars due to workload and having to learn about enterprise IT by fire. Also because I want to travel across Europe in limited free time! Heavily involved in extracurriculars in university, including editor in chief of the medical journal, Residence/Dorm Adviser to ~30 1st years, United Way chair for university, part-time R&D consultant, started a short-lived educational startup.

    - Speaks 3 languages fluently (English, French, Arabic) and 2 others at basic level (Dutch, Spanish)

    - Would like a CIO or CEO position in lifesciences/pharma, high-tech or financial services, or advising/investing in companies through venture capitalism, focusing on IT and lifesciences.

    - Age 28, initially planning to apply for 2016 class, but decided to give round 3 a shot this year.

    - Target schools: HBS, Stanford, LBS

  • Manuel

    Mr. Kreisberg, judge my odds please! Here is my background:

    26 year-old Latino

    3.81 GPA from the University of Virginia (History Major/French Minor), Phi Beta Kappa, graduated with High Distinction.

    3.80 GPA from Stanford University (Masters in Latin American Studies)–Full Ride (US Govt Foreign Language Area Studies Fellowship to learn Portuguese)

    GRE: 620 V; 580 M (will retake)

    Speak English, Spanish, French and Portuguese fluently.

    Worked for a top-law firm in DC for two years after UVA (thought I wanted to go law school); worked for an int’l development consulting firm in DC after grad school and currently live in São Paulo working as a project manager for a int’l logistics firm, which focuses on Wind Energy (manage 8 employees) and exclusively for our client (GE Wind).

    Thank you!

  • Online in Minneapolis

    Hi Sandy,

    I’d love to hear your thoughts on my profile:

    - 31 year old Male
    - 710 GMAT (69% Q, 97% V)
    - 3.3 GPA from Boston University: While there was Executive Vice President and Chief of Staff of the Student Union. Additionally I founded a large cross university group (30 Boston area colleges involved) to act as Political Action Committee representing students. Lastly I founded a group to run the Boston Marathon in support of a local women’s shelter
    - BA in Political Science and BS in Broadcast Journalism: Graduated 1 year early to work on the 2004 presidential campaign.
    - Worked for the last 8.5 years at a Fortune 250 Diversified Financial Services firm in a number of sales roles, including financial advisor, district manager (leading a team of 14 FA’s) and associate branch manager (leading a team of 28 FA’s). The last 2 years I’ve spent as Director of National Sales in our corporate office leading 3 separate teams.

    - EC: Volunteer at 2 different non-profits as well as a mentor through the the Everybody Wins Children’s Literacy charity

    Lastly, what makes me unique is I’m only considering distance learning or online MBA’s due to recently having a child and earning a very good income. I’m also in between a regular or EMBA based on my age and experience. I’m considering UVA, Duke, Carnegie Mellon, IE and the joint LBS/Columbia program.

    Any thoughts?

  • George

    Hello Sandy,

    Please do provide your opinion on my stats!

    Thanks
    George

    GMAT: 780, Grade: First Class – 74.2%
    Degree: B.Sc (Hons) Accounting and Finance
    University: Warwick Business School

    Language Proficiencies: English (Fluent), French (Fluent), Arabic (Fluent), Hindi (Fluent), German (Fluent), Malyalam (Fluent)
    Work experience: Rothschild M&A analyst (2 years)

    Extra-curriculars: President of a 1500 member University Careers society, VP of a 300 member Ethnic society.

    MBA Goal: To achieve career advances, develop strong managerial skills and a wider perspective that will greatly aid me when I establish a hedge fund in my mid 30s.

    Ethnicity: 23 year old Indian Christian male. (High School in Dubai, UAE)

  • JW

    Hi Sandy, thank you for your continued insight in to the MBA admission process.

    I am fully sponsored by my company, a global boutique investment bank (H/S/W alumni), to pursue an MBA. I unfortunately have a low GPA (2.01).

    Generally, how does company sponsorship affect one’s odds of being admitted into a top MBA program?

  • Dreamgirl

    Sandy,

    I am not sure if you are evaluating profiles anymore. If you are – here is an interesting one for you.
    I am a 27 Year old Female of Indian Origin. Coming from modest middle class family in India. Parents barely graduated from no name colleges in India. No one in my family has stepped outside the country for studying or for working before me or after me.
    I helped run the family business from the age of 14, after my father passed away, and Mother needed help, and finally left the country to pursue Undergraduate degree.
    I received my Undergraduate degree from Third Tier US state university in the midwest, on Full Scholarship (Chemistry and Plastics Engineering- dual major – gpa 3.6). I was the only International student in the entire class to have the Undergraduate Research Assistantship – which paid for the University and Living expenses.
    Worked several Jobs through the Undergraduate degree along with the research. Won intra college awards for undergraduate research.
    Masters Degree from an Ivy League (Think Columbia, Cornell, Yale) in Operations Research (3.1 gpa). Graduated in the recession job market of 2009 with a Consulting profile in a No Name small Consulting firm. However, through the same consulting firm, I am assigned to work at Large Fortune 100 Financial sector companies in NYC/ Wall Street, on long term IT implementation projects (think Wall Street investment banks and insurance companies). Currently on a long term consulting assignment in the world’s largest Insurance provider company, as a Lead Business Analyst/ Product manager to implement a financial IT product. No Direct report, but I am personally responsible for the successful delivery of the project, hence responsible for indirectly leading experienced Developers to build a successful product. I act as a Liaison to the Business side to provide vision to the product and ensure timely and successful delivery. I also lead the Testing efforts of the new product, and eventually the successful release to users.

    Extracurriculars are weak: Leadership roles in Ethnic and International student clubs in Undergraduate. Research and part time work during undergraduate.
    Nothing during Masters. Currently involved with one Ethnic group NGO, but no leadership role.
    Mentor 4 College students in India.
    Love travelling (unfortunately started travelling only after I started earning at the age of 24, hence a long way to go before I can become a world traveller)

    Gmat: Low score of 680, debating whether I should retake.

    Goal: I want to leverage my Technical and leadership skills to get into the Executive track of some Fortune 500 company IT firm, or IT Division of some Financial Services company and eventually head Technology.

    Applied last year to Harvard, Columbia, Wharton and got Dings before interviews.

    I am really interested in LBS, Kellogg, Stanford. And intend to re-apply to Harvard, Columbia Wharton. What would be my chances? and how can I leverage my story? Also, I know I am in the age range of an EMBA, but that is not what I want to do. Becaus of my Masters, and a Late start in Kindergarten, I only really have a total of 3.5 yrs of Work ex so far.

  • NotMyActualName

    3.85 GPA
    660 GMAT
    Graduated as a English major from a regionally known state school (not top 200).
    In college was the President of the English club, President of the Broadcasters Club, and volunteer for Students With Disabilities.
    Currently work for Teach For America as high school English teacher. Prior to this I was a district sales manager, manager of a restaurant, ran for political position in my city, and was an aide to a member of congress.
    I held a job all through college and am a first generation college student.
    Looking to apply to top 20 programs.

  • NotMyActualName

    Also, extensive volunteering with several national organizations.

  • CorpFin

    Hi Sandy,

    Hope you’re still doing this! Please help; I can’t find anything relating to the value MBAs place on my work experience area.

    -GMAT 750 (haven’t taken but fairly confident – always score 95th-98th percentile on first try – SAT/ACT, CFA Level 1 first try with 15% of the recommended studying, other graduate school tests taken as backup to placate parents when Wall St melted down)

    -GPA 3.47, call it 3.5. had 3.8 in upper-level, major Finance/Econ, Good Midwestern Private lib arts school. Went to this school because I received its best scholarship, but it has held me back constantly in finance by not being known in NYC, and I need to get a Brand name to advance

    -Work Exp – 2 years as of now, would be 3 at matriculation. Corporate Finance @ F100 company – this is what I’m curious about…it’s not banking, although I deal with Bankers every day. CorpFin actually has higher-level exposure than corresponding workers on my level at IBDs…for example MDs come in to pitch my company (no Analysts or even MBA Associates get to make the meeting) but I go to every pitch along w/my boss and a few of our higher ups. I analyze and recommend Debt issuances, stock buybacks and basically every other thing dealing with Financials or markets for my firm. For a company with 10s of thousands of employees, my team is very small, so I’m thinking this is a small field and that’s why you haven’t done any CorpFin people yet in this series. Also known as Treasury at some companies. So to summarize, it’s a less sexy banking/consulting, wherein I recommend financial/funding/capital strategy, but get paid a fraction of a Banking Analyst.

    -Extracurriculars – can’t compete with most MBAs but decent. Some volunteering through company, did more in undergrad. Outside of work I’m very musical (play a few instruments) and am a novice with a few years experience in combat (train in jiu jitsu and boxing)

    HWS, Booth, NYU, CBS. Outside of these schools and the few others in the top tier, I would honestly not bother matriculating. I understand MBA can help many through the teaching, but for me it mainly provides value in getting a recognizable prestigious name and meeting other intelligent driven people. StanfordGSB would uniquely help me think about entrepreneurship and might hasten my movement to that area, but generally coming from a HF direction (see below).

    Purpose – move to Hedge Fund. Overall, my longer-term and legacy goal is to focus on US competitiveness I’ve always wanted to bring some manufacturing back to my hometown, which has been decimated by offshoring. For now I would like to focus on getting a lucrative enough job that I can save up to fund this. I’ve learned quite a bit about investing and have a good analytical framework but CorpFin isn’t recruited to work at Hedge Funds and networking through the CFA (my goal in taking it) hasn’t yielded anything yet, so I’m looking at an MBA to rebrand and use Pre-and Summer-internships to move into this space.

    25yo white male

  • mephiston1

    Hey Sandy,

    I’m just trying to see where I should apply for MBA school for my best options. I already tried Stanford’s college senior program for a deferred entry for 2014, but didn’t make it. I can regroup for this years round of applications in October, but I’m trying to figure out what the best way to spend the next year is. My brother has a start-up company that just obtained VC funding, and it seems like that might be a good way to gain business experience quick. Or should I just focus on getting a job first and trying for the MBA in a few years? (After taking the GMAT)

    Mr. Rocket Scientist
    GRE: V:164, Q:168, A:5.0 (online GRE converter to GMAT yields 740 (670-800 range)
    3.79 GPA

    Just graduated
    Aerospace Engineering Degree Major with Minor in Communications from one of the top ranked aviation schools in the US.
    Work experience includes an internship with the Aviation Authorities, and 2 years in the military as part of the draft. Was selected for Special Forces, but washed out due to training injury.
    Extracurricular involvement included being elected as Editor-in-Chief of the college newspaper. Long list of improvements to the organization including cutting down printing costs, streamlining production processes, and restructuring for better responsibility distribution. Belonged to two honor societies in college and awarded “Who’s who amongst American Colleges and Universities”
    Goal: To obtain business skills to become a well-rounded individual well-positioned for management.
    Currently looking for jobs, but has an open option to attend Aerospace Engineering Graduate School and be funded for school.
    24-year-old non-American Asian male (2 years spent in the armed forces makes me older)

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