Poets&Quants’ 2014 Top 100 MBA Programs In The U.S.

The Definitive List Of The Top 100 U.S. MBA Programs of 2014 — 1 to 25

2014
Rank
School Name 2013 Rank Index US
News
Forbes Business
Week
Financial
Times
The Economist
#1 Stanford GSB 2 100.0 1 1 4 2 7
#2 Harvard Business School 1 99.3 1 3 8 1 4
#3 UPenn (Wharton) 4 99.2 1 4 2 3 9
#4 Chicago (Booth) 3 98.8 4 2 3 6 1
#5 Columbia Business School 7 95.4 8 7 5 4 8
#6 Northwestern (Kellogg) 5 95.2 6 5 7 9 12
#7 MIT (Sloan) 6 93.5 5 12 14 5 10
#8 Dartmouth (Tuck) 8 93.2 9 6 15 12 2
#9 Duke (Fuqua) 9 91.8 14 8 1 10 18
#10 UC-Berkeley (Haas) 10 91.6 7 14 19 8 5
#11 Michigan (Ross) 11 91.0 11 10 9 13 15
#12 Yale School of Management 17 89.7 13 18 6 7 14
#13 Virginia (Darden) 13 88.8 11 15 20 16 3
#14 UCLA (Anderson) 14 88.4 16 13 11 14 11
#15 Cornell (Johnson) 11 88.0 17 9 13 15 17
#16 New York (Stern) 15 87.2 10 23 22 11 6
#17 Carnegie Mellon (Tepper) 16 85.9 18 16 10 18 16
#18 North Carolina (Kenan-Flagler) 18 85.8 19 11 12 17 25
#19 Texas-Austin (McCombs) 19 82.6 15 21 23 21 23
#20 Emory (Goizueta) 21 81.7 20 24 18 22 13
#20 Indiana (Kelley) 20 81.7 21 19 16 24 22
#22 Georgetown (McDonough) 22 76.4 23 33 24 20 26
#23 Washington (Foster) 24 74.1 25 27 37 31 21
#24 Washington (Olin) 23 73.9 22 34 26 34 28
#25 Vanderbilt (Owen) 25 72.1 25 39 30 32 20

(See following page for the next 25 business schools on the list)

  • Phil

    @ let’s state the obvious…I am assuming that your assessment is based on the assumption that these rankings are not based on competent surveys which create statistical framework upon which conclusions can be drawn about the relative competence of one school over the other in areas such as post-graduation average salaries, percentages of employed graduates, the education levels and entrance exam scores of the students entering the program, and the overall reputation of the schools in the eyes of recruiters. Because they are, your generic, unsubstantiated opinion has little credibility. But that’s ok, you can go to your unranked program let us know how that goes.

  • MBA123

    When can we expect 2015 rankings?

  • nothing_to_see_here

    “previous institutional loyalty” lol yep. I went to Berkeley for Undergrad there’s no way I will ever go to Stanford.

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  • karel paragh

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  • Karel Paragh

    I also fully agree! The people have to make a choice for a program that excites them

  • Shubham Gautam

    But last year we had 2 ranking lists, one in May and in November. This year will we get just 1 list?

  • JohnAByrne

    Yes, though you would have to factor in airline flights. Out of state.

  • Shubham Gautam

    Also, in the cost of an elite MBA article. Are these costs for international students? Are they the worst case scenario? Also, an international student is considered in state or out of state? TIA 🙂

  • Shubham Gautam

    But last year we had 2 lists, one in May and in November. This year will we get just 1 list?

  • JohnAByrne

    Yes. The update will come out in November.

  • Shubham Gautam

    Dear John, Are you planning to launch a latest 2015 P&Q rankings? If yes, When? Please reply. Thanks 🙂

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  • JohnAByrne

    I know but most rankings are based on lagging data. It’s a look back–and not a look forward–at basic stats. Though the new class is essentially admitted in the winter and spring, the GMATs and GPAs aren’t revealed until the late fall. Same with salary and placement data. The school’s pretty much know the numbers by graduation time, but it is six months later to make the numbers public. For that reason, the school’s MBA program keeps cropping up in different rankings. This will pretty much be over this year, however.

  • Diane Kamer

    How can Wake Forest rise to #45 if it no longer has a traditional MBA program? (Yes, I realize these rankings were for 2014, but the announcement was made in 2014 that the MBA would be terminated.)

  • Venki Modugula

    Intresting to see Rutgers ranking swing all over the place.

  • nothingtoseehere

    If you’re looking for a “WOW” factor nothing but Harvard and Stanford
    are going to give you that. 99.9% of the population on this planet
    don’t know names “Wharton”, “Johnson”, “Ross”, “Haas”, “Anderson”,
    “Tuck”, etc. They have heard about Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton
    (maybe) And that’s about it. At the end of the day, it’s who you are,
    and not what kind of package you have. Because the “wow” period lasts
    5-10 seconds and then people start looking at you.

    As for the two
    school you’re looking at. Well, Duke gave me a sense of very immature
    people. Did not feel comfortable with people who, mostly, were
    interested in mating with male and female undergrads, drinking, and just
    having fun. Granted, I met only a small group of people so by no means
    my perception can be accurate. So take it with a grain of salt.
    But Ross on the other hand, made a much much better impression on me
    personally. But if you want to know where to go (I’m surprised you had
    not done your homework before applying) – visit both school. Spend a few
    days on campus and immerse yourself in their cultures. It’s way better
    and more productive than asking questions online from people who might
    be 5th graders with too much spare time on their hands. :/

  • Ross vs. Fuqua

    Can I get your guys opinion on Fuqua vs. Ross for MC?

    Scholarship is not different. I just want the best overall long term brand, and best career options. Who has a better “wow” factor?

  • thang

    where is the ranking of 100 top us mba

  • joe

    Now that there is no triple tie in USNews, how is this ranking going to look?

  • francisjan

    Duke-Fuqua at number 9 is a little too high. I’d swap it with Dartmouth-Tuck, which is now ranked number 8, and give that number 8 slot to Berkeley-Haas. The 10th slot should have been occupied by either NYU-Stern if not Michigan-Ross. Personally, though, I’d give the 10th spot to Yale SOM.
    Any ranking where Duke is ranked higher than the supposedly solid top 9 is highly questionable. At best, Duke is number 10.

    Here’s a more acceptable ranking:
    1./2. Harvard / Stanford — it doesn’t matter which one places #1 as they both are seen number 1 anyway.
    3. Penn-Wharton
    4./5./6. Chicago-Booth / MIT-Sloan / Columbia
    7./8./9. Northwestern-Kellogg/ Berkeley-Haas / Dartmouth-Tuck

    Gap

    10./11./12./13./14. YaleSOM / NYU-Stern / Michigan-Ross / Duke-Fuqua / Virginia
    15. Cornell-Johnson

    16./17. UCLA / Texas-Austin
    And so on

  • let’s state the obvious

    Exactly. This list has zero basis in reality. Truth be told, most of this top 20 actually looks like a who’s who in the zero accountability movement. Several of the schools listed in this top 20 are degree mills that pump out hundreds of unproven MBAs. Essentially just daycare for rich kids with no rigor to speak of. Many of them don’t even have standardized exit exams. You just show up every once in awhile and they say here’s your degree!

  • Jackson

    As a PITT undegrad (H2P) and now a Kellogg admit, Katz is a great option if you are looking to stay within the tri-state area working at some decent firms, just dont expect to be launched into the top caliber firms — even CMU is struggling now. Everyone has different goals and if Pitt fits within yours then go for it! I always studied at Mervis over Sennott, hopefully they upgraded that dreadful coffee maker next to the team rooms.

  • malboa

    Hopefully the 2 tools who argue over whether HBS or GBS is better will get more out of their future careers and lives then going onto a forum and arguing about whether HBS or GBS is better for the rest of their lives. smh

  • JohnAByrne

    Absolutely.

  • LACSD

    Outside of the M7, is it accurate to say to that attending any school from #8-15 will provide a similar ROI with education and prestige from employers?

  • MistaButters

    I know you posted this over a month ago, but I’m pretty sure even BW came out and said their new methodology had flaws in it.

  • marcus

    yup.. just like Stanford’s undergraduate acceptance rate of 5% is the lowest in the country and has a class size larger than most Ivies including Harvard. so nice theory.. but no dice.

  • UmNoJustNo

    Oxford isn’t exactly a top MBA program… It get’s by on it’s undergrad reputation (like yale, cambridge, and cornell).

  • CBS Going up

    It’s near 130ish. not the best but still within manhattan; do you know how expensive real estates are in nyc? how difficult to get large enough lot to build a new campus?? there are two subway lines that can get you to lower manhattan (15-20 min). city college is also nearby on 135, which makes the area a friendly university environment. people love to bash on cbs based on its facility… there are plenty of 30-100 ranked bschools with stunning new business campus, does that make them elite schools? no… only short-sighted applicants would care whether their computer labs uses new macs or old windows. who cares? i never understood it..

  • Mehdi

    there are 3 types of lies..
    -Lies
    -Big lies
    -Statistics

  • Ben Franklin

    Can you prove that Whartonite goes to Wharton? No.

  • IQuantStandYourFace

    The real winner of the thread was Whartonite, who displayed an excellent example as to why many “Whartonites” get a bad rap.

  • JACRA

    Lets rank MBA colleges on quantitative analysis as opposed to opinions. First and foremost, a top notch MBA program should never let anyone go from underclass to MBA program without working. So the first criteria is, DO you have students that never supported themselves or worked at a career job? then, how many start ups have your MBAs done that are in business after 5 years, how many students predicted inflation rate within 0.5%, employment rate (or better, kept their employee/exec turnover) within 0.5%, the GDP within 0.5%, or even the weather to 6 sigma from the day prior. I still am trying to figure out what management or organizational degrees have done for anyone….As they all say at the end of each class….”no one theory ever fits the situation but its a blend of a few!”. I think this is called “experience and common sense”…

  • John

    The difference between 10th and 11th place was a measly .6. I would say yes, Ross can attain top 10 if they rank well next year.

  • KetMet

    This is a ridiculous statement, David. I would welcome you to reach out to hedge funds and see which school they actually recruit most from – CBS. CBS students receive emails from HBS and Wharton students looking for job posting swaps; all looking to trade anything on their database for the hedge fund recruiting list. Booth – talking from personal experience – is a horribly antisocial place. The lack of structure, and the general student body, leaves only two things anyone can focus on: academics and career; networking is a myth. It also has one of the most local alumni networks of the top schools, a poor international showing, and a very sour alumni base that is reluctant to pay it forward. You don’t hear from CBS student on this forum because I presume they don’t have time, or care to sit here wasting time defending silly misconceptions. I’d bet they’re getting their networking bucks, especially since they’re so close to everything finance related.

  • AC AC

    Cornell is not a top school

  • AC AC

    no

  • AC AC

    says the sub 500 guy

  • AC AC

    hahahahahaha

  • AC AC

    P&Q rankings are on par with BW’s now. Both are all over the place.

  • The Ace

    Wow, this guy actually took the time to combine five PR scams into one in order to create an additional layer of fantasy.

  • RossGuy

    Any thoughts if Michigan will be in the top 10 next year?

  • QuestionsaboutCornell

    @Narian – This would be a great problem to have in my mind. As a pure matter of fact, Kellogg has the edge in all MBA rankings that I am aware of, but Cornell is always a Top 10 to 20 player and so highly regarded as well. I do not think a bad choice could really be made here. Which school excites him/her more? Fit is crucial imo. East coast ambitions or Midwest or elsewhere? More urban oriented or more bucolic campus preferences? I do not believe one will likely lead to a material difference in overall career outcome so pick the one that excites him/her most.

  • Ben Franklin

    2nd Year, may I ask which school you’re disappointed with, in particular?

  • Hell_Biker

    Wouldn’t go that far, but I’m definitely suspicious of professors who are teaching a class that they have no practical experience in.

    And that sentiment is all well and good but the career change I’m trying to accomplish is one that more or less requires that I retrain….which is why I’m looking at MBA programs based off of the strength of their finance curriculum(with particular emphasis on experiential learning opportunities) rather than their ranking.

  • Disappointed2ndYear

    The actual reason this is dumb is because MBA programs ALL have crappy curricula with mediocre professors who only understand theory. The most rigorous curriculum is the one you’ll obtain by working.

  • Narian

    Orange, can you please share your thought on ONE year MBA at Kellogg and Cornell? my friend got both of them but in big dilemma on which is better?

  • Ben Franklin

    Your choppy accent was so rich and frothy from your initial post, I thought that you’d either be an LBS wannabe or HBS Eurotrash!

  • Chares

    Is Rollins College any good? It’s fairly close where I live. I am an undergraduate student at Florida Atlantic University studying MIS. I see it’s in Florida and ranked. Thanks

  • QuestionaboutCornell

    @Orange1 – Thanks for the reply and thoughts. I also am a believer in the tier system approach and agree with the schools that you tier Cornell with. Forbes and the new P&Q worst and best job placement performers show Cornell performing solidly in what counts in my mind most ROI and job placement. I will work hard for a spot as I think it is an excellent fit for me. thx again

  • bwanamia

    CBS has to worry about catching up with Cornell. Ivy League b-schools!

  • bwanamia

    nonsense

  • Orange1

    Cornell has always had a large NYC presence – the EMBA program is located nearby and many alumni work/live in the area. Is it a top ten school? Personal opinion is the whole system is one of tiers and Cornell is ensconced in the Yale/Stern/Duke/UCLA/Darden/Ross level and that is good company, unless of course it’s top 5-7 or bust for you.
    Undervalued in the MBA marketplace? Think any school in the top 20 is well thought of so no issue there. Personal note: I was seriously thinking about Cornell because I had always lived in large cities and wanted a different atmosphere, but went elsewhere due to financial/personal issues. If you want to stay in the Northeast, go all out to get accepted. You cannot go wrong with Johnson on a resume.

  • Ben Franklin

    Where’s the new “crowned jewel” that is the future of CBS and will propel the school over both H and W?… The Bronx…? or is it like 150th St. or something Lol!?

  • elitrbracket

    I agree. I think CBS will over take wharton and maybe hbs. Its admit rate is already lower than wharton and way lower than chicago. The new campus will push it up big time
    I can already see this trend. So many Princeton/Wharton undegrads I know chose CBS

  • QuestionaboutCornell

    I am researching applying to MBA programs and wonder if I should consider Cornell? I view it is a powerful global brand that is currently undervalued in the MBA marketplace. Forbes (my favored ranking) has it as a top 10 for ROI, which is critical to me. Unfortunately, I am just not a top 10 school candidate. I also favor non-city/bucolic schools. I hail from the Northeast and wish to remain in the area. High 600’s (think 690ish) for GMAT. 3.67 GPA from a strong state university and have worked in investment banking for about 4 years now. I like Cornell’s long-term planning in NYC as I look ahead 10 to 20 yrs down the line. Seems like a very good prestige play with strong ROI for my level of stats. Thoughts?

  • GBR

    We’re really splitting hairs over nuanced differences between indisputably world class schools. The Bay Area offers better opportunities and quality of life than Boston, I can see why sunny Stanford is more attractive than dreary Cambridge. That being said, the Bay Area’s local Part Time UC B-Schools that allow students to keep their six-figure Silicon Valley and SF Financial District jobs while earning their degrees boast lower tuition than the full-time-only GSB. Such programs thus offer an empirically superior value proposition.

  • GBR

    With all due respect to my dear brother-in-law, Stanford is overrated. Go Bears!!

  • Guest

    With all due respect to my dear brother-in-law, Stanford is overrated. Go Bears!

  • Fred

    Columbia has real momentum now. When its new facility funded by the Perleman and Kravis contributions opens up, the real question is whether any other school will be able to keep up in the future.

  • Mich

    So Yale SOM at last replaced/displaced Cornell.. Still it’s way overvalued for its rank of #12.. It has many applicants who consider it as back up for HSWKBT

  • AlbertnotGSB

    Albert is most likely not GSB affiliated. Y’all are dumb for assuming he is.

  • MIT

    Yeah, but HBS folks need to stop outright lying. HBS’ spot is right at #2, and most of us knew that when we were applying.

  • Ben Franklin

    I took 69% from BW, and because I happen to be biased towards that number

  • Guest

    Wharton yield was closer to 76%, not 69%, just do the math based on their acceptance rate and class size. Not sure why everyone reports the incorrect lower yield.

  • My2Cents

    I don’t know if, and personally don’t think, the rankings methodology is right or fair, but hiring or perception aren’t either. Truth be said there isn’t a huge difference of the education you’d get in any of the Top 15-20 schools. The difference being so small is why these rankings change so much.

    But what I think really makes the difference is the school brand and the school families. And that is why I think this ranking is good, because the results are aligned with that perception and with hiring, which is influenced by that perception. I work with 100s of other MBAs from better ranked and worst ranked schools and I really don’t see much of a difference between schools. What there is a difference in is what comes in and what you can get out (or after). By this I don’t mean GPAs or GMATs (what’s really the difference between a 710 and 730, or 3.6 and 3.7) but the people who actually don’t need the MBA.

    The sons (and daughters) of the bosses. Those guys go to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia,… Because their parents went to those schools and founded (or maintained) empires, and now they need to take over those so they are doing their MBAs. And they hire people from those same schools.

    I think these rankings are a clear representation that perception is reality and that is why I like them. And by the same reasoning, if we think that these rankings are so important and really differentiate the MBAs from one school and the other, they actually will (and they do).

    Now my advice to applicants: always go with fit. The great thing about american schools is that they may not differentiate that much in education quality, but they do have very strong and varied cultures. There’s schools with strong appeal for geeks, laid-backs, party-animals, snobs, go getters, reflexive, family oriented, and every type of MBA you can imagine. And all schools are good suit for more than one MBA type. So choose wisely, go for the best ranked school… that fits who you are.

  • Quality

    Or because, you know, quality over quantity and all that.

  • Guest

    Strange, but where did you see that? The tables I was looking at have Oxford with a 692…

  • Ben Franklin

    A little birdie

  • Ben Franklin

    Can’t blame their Board of Trustees for being keen on these points. That, or they’re just stubbornly refusing to grow. It won’t help the size and breadth of its alumni network, however.

  • Ben Franklin

    Ok, you’re right. No one applies to Stanford as a Hail Mary. But I certainly did.

  • Orange 1

    I have argued for this forever. We collectively need to stop the madness. Has an employer on the face of the earth every selected a candidate because they graduated from school # 11 vs. school #13?

  • Orange 1

    John, stats and profile are one thing, but some excellent candidates are simply not a good fit for HBS and Stanford in terms of personality. I know a couple of Tuck graduates who loved the experience and would probably not have been happy at those two schools – they craved the Hanover environment.
    In terms of cross admits. I know one who chose HBS. Why anybody would think this should help determine a school’s ranking is beyond me. He was/is an East Coast guy, wanted to continue working there, and felt the HBS network in the Northeast would serve him better. It had nothing to do with the quality of either school as he considered them close to equal.

  • MBAobserver

    No matter how low the Stanford admit rate can go, they will never ever get as number of applications as Harvard. We all know Stanford keeps the class size low to maintain the low admission rate.

  • MBAobserver

    The ranking that reports avg GMAT of 600 at Oxford MBA !!! Do you really take it seriously?!!

  • Whatsinaname

    Duke was harmed by ranking number one. lolololol You Stanford guys need to get over yourselves.

  • Guest

    Hi John, what do you think of the QS Global 200 Ranking?

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  • Interesting, but

    Stanford’s admit rate has been consistently sub 7% since 2008 it seems, and closer to 6% last year. Not sure why you would mischaracterize that.

    You really don’t think anyone reacts to low admit rates and figures it’s just not worth throwing in a “Reach” hail-mary application? Seems to me that any smart applicant would take probability into consideration, given the cost in time, attention and money for applicant and recommenders.

    Might explain why more apply to HBS by far than anywhere else – there’s so many of them (940 per year now?) that you’re twice as likely to get in there than at Stanford, and about as likely as Berkeley or MIT. If you have one extra die to roll, HBS is super compelling.

    If HBS were the most desirable school for Top Applicants, you wouldn’t expect 2/3 of those dual-admits with GSB to end up on the west coast.

  • Whartonite

    Yep. Less quant more touchy feelu

  • andao

    are you going to be the HBS alum McKinsey recruiter who says “actually HBS grads aren’t any good”? these schools have enormous networks built over decades. so yes, i think HBS could accept a bunch of engineers to pump the GMAT score, and the reputation wouldn’t suffer. or limit admission like Ben Franklin suggested to pump scores.

  • Jakson

    Not a bad way to look at it

  • JohnAByrne

    I do very much like the clarity and simplicity of what Forbes measures and how they measure. They do a much better job of this than the FT which imposes a purchasing parity screen on the numbers that prevent users from really understanding how they’re adjusting the ROI. But return on investment, as important as it is, is just one metric and a great MBA experience is about a lot more than just that.

  • JohnAByrne

    The problem with that is the surveys of recruiters by U.S. News and Businessweek are not properly drawn. So the sample is not what it should be and you would need to be very careful about relying on that one metric.

  • Ben Franklin

    Another way to look at it is ROI is very hard to measure over the course of a career. A contrarian view would say that you should let the assessed overall ROI factor be determined by one’s choice to a) submit an application to a school combined with b) one’s desire to attend that school over the others (i. e. yield % and cross-admit statistics).

    This is “letting the market decide” vs. “Oh, let’s have Forbes tell me what MY lifetime ROI will be”

    That’s a supporting argument for USN’s methodology, which I happen to agree with more.

  • Ben Franklin

    I’d argue that smaller programs do benefit the most, however, on the acceptance rate side: Yale, Berkeley, MIT, Stanford, etc. This is because, if an applicant likes a particular school and/or that school’s overall brand, people apply to a school regardless of its seating capacity. If you look at the # of overall applications to each school/brand, then you get a good idea of what the overall interest is in that brand. Geographic preference certainly does impact # of applications, so the most desirable cities receive an application premium, which should be discounted, if known/guestimated. Assuming each school’s demand is determined by application volume and yield (irrespective of seats, thus adjusted for class size), then simply refer to the ranking below (Yield % * Application Volume):

    Most highly-demanded MBA brands (by aspirants):

    1. HBS – 9,200*0.89 = 8188
    2. Stanford – 7,500*0.83 = 6225
    3. Wharton – 6,100*0.69 = 4210
    4. Columbia – 5,800*0.70 = 4060
    5. MIT – 4,600*0.68 = 3128
    6. Kellogg – 4,900*0.55 = 2695
    7. Booth – 3900*0.59 = 2320
    8. Berkeley – 3,600*0.61= 2196
    9. NYU – 3,900*0.48 = 1872
    10. Duke – 3,200*0.51 = 1632
    11. Yale – 2,900*0.50 = 1400
    T-12. Ross/Tuck = 2,600*0.52 = 1352

  • joseph

    “…because it uses metrics–GMAT and GPA scores, acceptance rates, starting salary and bonuses, and job offers at graduation and three months later–that are clear and unbiased indicators of a program’s quality.” If the last sentence is a fair indicator of the thinking of the survey designers, then this survey is probably worth less than the screen space it takes. None of the metrics are unbiased and none of them are clear, and none of them have anything to do with program quality.

  • doug

    This statement is confusing…
    “CBS amission rate is much lower than booth and almost gets double the number of applications as booth ** check admission stats**”

    The “and” in that statement is completely misused and should be replaced with “because it.” The second part of that statement results in the first part and you’re not qualitatively differentiating the programs by saying either of those things.

    congrats on your board meeting attendance… impressive.

  • MBAgrad

    I would argue that Forbes is the best ranking list then since it measures ROI. The ranking directly measures the bang for your buck.

  • Jakson

    Are you kidding? They are not easy to game by any stretch. Yes, stanford and harvard could probably up their averages to 750+ with just Indian engineers but fortunately they don’t care enough about rankings to completely sacrifice their general management reputation.

    If you think a general top 20 school can easily increase their gmat average, you are fooling yourself. Any slight increase by accepting all of a certain demographic would have major repercussions and likely limit their future application pool and negatively adjust their acceptance rate.

  • Ben Franklin

    Increased blood flow

  • MBA Hopeful

    No one does. That’s why it was kind of funny how that Stanford guy suggested there was.

  • andao

    The “good” indicators that US News uses – GMAT, GPA, acceptance rate – are also the three easiest to game. Honestly those should be thrown out when ranking schools. If you are looking for objectivity, focus on ROI and salary gain after 3 yrs only.

  • LongerPNS

    Ben, everytime , new ranking published, my penis get longer! why is that?

  • trip treat

    Why? Because it’s “#3” or because you went there?

  • kerr

    unfortunately, yes.

  • Jakson

    Serious question — using the new weightings, who would’ve been No. 1 last year from last year’s polls? Anyone want to do the math?

  • Orelu

    Given all this obsession and anger with rankings and elitism, will I be disappointed by my career prospect and sit in back seat if I attend University of Pittsburgh’s Katz school?! do you think I will be useless if didn’t attend Harvard or Wharton?!

  • Whartonite

    I think it would be a huge mistake to turn down Wharton for the #20 school, even if the curriculum is harder or whatever you said.

  • Jimmy B

    Hmm very interesting and I agree with most of what you say. However, I think you’re heavily downplaying the number of students who apply ONLY to HBS + GSB or the top 5/M7. People understand GSB and HBS as the top…and apply to both–at least from my grouping of friends. That said, you may be onto something when it comes to geographic difference in applications.

    Thanks John.

  • tiersplease

    Yet more reason to use tiers!! Tiers would solve many of these slot and positioning arguments which usually revolve around personal preferences and bias depending on the individual in question. I believe there is way more chance for general agreement on basic tiers, not perfect by any means, but far more would result…

  • JohnAByrne

    First off, you’re right. It is an unfair assumption. A lot of MBA applicants have little interest in HBS or Stanford. That’s for a wide variety of reasons that include previous institutional loyalty to a school due to legacy or geography or interests. And, of course, some people just aren’t lucky enough to have either the stats or the right profile.

    Secondly, your assumption about acceptance rates and application volume may be right but I’m not so sure that inflates HBS yield. The truth is, when people think of the MBA degree, they immediately think of Harvard. That occurs for everything from historical reasons to success, scale and resources.

    My sense is that a lot people pick Stanford because of its location in California (Berkeley and UCLA also have low acceptance rates owing to their location), its access to venture capital and new thinking, and as an alternative to HBS which is perceived to be more traditional, though I believe it is as leading edge or more so than any of its rivals.

    Bottom line: If accepted to both or to one, you are one very lucky person.

  • Veteran of the Psychic Wars

    How is Ross ranked higher than Yale? And Stern below Cornell??

  • Veteran of the Psychic Wars

    Is Columbia displacing local residents, reducing the stock of cheap housing for low income residents, to build a new campus that will still be surrounded by low income apartment buildings? Is this what we are lauding?

  • Meh

    It would be kind of petty to officially publish dual-admit stats (which in practice can’t be 100% verifiable anyway, and honestly wtf cares except the <100 people each year), but, if you were in the position to make that choice, you would know the balance has tilted heavily for the GSB in recent years. Nothing's permanent, but that's where things stand today, if you care.

  • Stats

    Don’t know if it’s public anywhere, but there’s a Facebook group with all the dual admits of each year. Break is ~65%+ for GSB over the past 4/5 years.

  • Bschooler

    Yes, this is accurate. The most relevant number to compare the relative preference for HBS/GSB would be dual admit enrollment decisions.

  • Jimmy B

    Here’s a question for you (as you can tell, I haven’t yet applied to b-school/taken stats 🙂 ):

    Let’s first make the totally unfair assumption that all students select the GSB and HBS as their two top choices. Let’s further say they are equally interested in both.

    With nearly half the acceptance rate of HBS, isn’t it likely the case that the number of GSB applicants accepted to both the GSB and HBS as a percentage of the total number of applicants to the GSB will be higher than the number of HBS applicants also accepted to the GSB as a percentage of the total number of applicants to HBS? Wouldn’t that then inflate HBS’s yield, as more students are comparing HBS to non-Stanford competitors than Stanford acceptances choosing between non-HBS schools?

    Do you catch my drift?

  • Guest

    The only thing HBS has to fear is itself. Only case method, recruiter surveys, falling GMAT, same starting salaries, complaints about clickish/party-heavy environment at school, it’s over-emphasis on grade distribution equality (causing upset people), etc. This is all starting to materialize in the rankings, and other schools that have been historically higher ranked are going to be there to pick up the slack.

  • whartonite

    So verifiable that you even presented evidence! Typical GSB

  • Duke Alumnus
  • Ben Franklin

    It would be quite easy to break the FT ranking down into a U.S. only list and an International only list, then when a query is conducted by an online user, the computation pulls from these two distinct lists depending on which list they’re interest in.

    John, how sick would this be?

  • crazyeights

    Confidence inspiring, factual, and authoritative. Thank you.

  • ferdinand

    FT has such customizable ranking ..

  • hedge67

    Plus, FT ranking is the ONLY ranking that must be audited by a professional auditing organisation.

  • Scott Boyce

    This is interesting. Even if it’s not included in the official rankings, it’d be worhty of a stand-alone ranking to post.

  • Ben Franklin

    By the same logic, B bests H too (17/5). But, B shouldn’t rely on its success with BW and the Economist anymore. They’ve been compromised.

  • Duke Alumnus

    The only reason Stern is ranked so highly on USNWR is because of it’s acceptance rate due to it’s applications numbers from just being in NYC. Take that away and you’d get a school comparable to McDonough/Owen.

  • 2015MBA

    By far more seriously than the BW ranking.

  • Ben Franklin

    John, consider this proposal for a brilliant way to remove all of this back and forth banter about ideal weighting distribution. Publish the P&Q MBA Ranking using your own weighting, but also have an interactive mechanism online where each online visitor can adjust a slide bar to select their own weight preferences, press Generate, then a ranking pops out using P&Q’s specific Index Score generator. How’s that for user-friendliness and transparency?! That’s a “recipe” for success.

  • JohnAByrne
  • Duke Alumnus

    People take Poets & Quants rankings seriously?

  • BoothvsWharton

    Cumulative average rank for Chicago Booth is 16/5
    Cumulative rank for Wharton is 19/5.. So its unfair.. worth pointing out HSB over HSW because H/S are ultra elite league and Wharton and Booth are competing in recent 2-3 years.. check their individual rankings..

  • Harvardgrad

    That’s because of stupid eccentric BW ranking.. Which kept Wharton at 2nd at HBS at 8th!!!!!! Damn it! even after that Wharton couldn’t beat HBS here.. LOLZ

  • Harvardgrad

    That’s because of stupid eccentric BW ranking.. Which kept Wharton at 2nd at HBS at 8th!!!!!! Damn it! even after that Wharton couldn’t beat HBS here.. LOL

  • Rajnathan

    Yes Guest.. everyone knows HSW are top 3 in this ranking.. So Wharton won’t mind the place I believe.. But your point valid.. so adding it to my list of insignificance..

  • Raj

    Dear Johnny.. agree with you.. But no Whartonite claiming they are better than HBS.. They may claim they are ‘as good as’ HBS! I don’t mind if u equal HBS Wharton here.. I said HSB “in addition” to HSW category as that was the ranking last year.. I am merely using the B-school acronyms in recent discourse..

  • Ben Franklin

    Do any of you have access to this information? I’d love to see that.

  • Ben Franklin

    This can be easily gamed.

  • Ben Franklin

    I’m curious why FT isn’t given the same weight as Forbes. FT is the number one MBA rankings reference globally for US & international schools, which accounts for what a school’s grads are paid (i.e. how valuable they are) amongst other things. I’m shocked that Forbes was given more weight than FT. It should be a bit smoother, such as USN 30%, FT 20%, Forbes 20%, BW 15%, Economist 15%.

  • Hell_Biker

    The specific weighting isn’t my objection. I see a major deficiency in that measuring a school by admissions statistics only completely ignores the reason anyone gets an MBA: to improve their future career prospects.

    While admissions statistics are nice they do not always correlate with placement and career performance. According to P&Q’s own review of job placement there are a number of schools that dramatically overperform on job placement as compared to their rankings. Those differences become even more drastic when one takes the regional differences in salary into consideration. 100k in Charlotte or Atlanta will go a lot further than 130k in NYC.

    My own choice of schools reflects ranking by job placement success fairly closely, although I’ve taken success in my specific career goals(boutique IB or VC) into account.

  • Hell_Biker

    Bickering over semantics. If your aptitude for finance is good enough to get you a job at a hedge fund from Columbia, it’s probably good enough to get you it from Boothe and vice versa.

    You should make the decision based on whether you feel Boothe’s more pleasant student experience and more difficult coursework vs Columbia’s strong network and location are more beneficial to your skillset.

  • RankingsBull

    I fully agree with your thinking, and also personally selected an MBA program that was “lower ranked” (12-17) versus another option which was several spots higher (7-11). I did this because of fit and ultimate career goals. It was truly the right decision for me. I understand why people focus on rankings but it is too extreme IMHO. Go to the program that excites you most and best equips you for success with your respective goals. Best wishes

  • Hell_Biker

    Also worth noting that I’ve followed my own advice. My application list spans schools ranked from #3 to #20(with a fallback option below that I”m not counting), and my top choice is actually the lowest ranked one. The reason for that is that they a more rigorous curriculum in my area of interest than higher ranked schools as well has having a dedicated research center that is involved in my desired career expertise(Venture capital).

    I’d be a fool to go to a higher ranked school that offers just brand name, when I could come out of the lower ranked school with a more tight-knit alumni network and much larger amount hands-on experience with venture capital projects.

  • RankingsBull

    Well put and we agree.
    Thx

  • Hell_Biker

    That’s why you should NEVER choose your school based off the number ranking. You need to choose your school based on their value in your desired industry(which admittedly comprises a lot of factors and will be different for everyone), market value of the brand name, and how well their curriculum supports your desired career expertise. Other considerations should include your “fit” for the on campus culture, whether they are a target school for your desired employers, and your own geographic career preferences.

    Quite frankly, do you think any employers give a flying F— about your school’s ranking that changes from year to year? Does it impact how well you can do your job? Does it make you a better cultural fit? The school’s brand name might matter but the difference between #6 and #7 in the rankings during a single year probably won’t.

  • Matt

    I love this idea.

  • anonNYmous

    P.S.- to all those “wannabe” entrepreneurs out there. It is difficult to bring a “change”. Businesses like people do not like changes, because it is a risk. that is one great hurdle that each entrepreneur has to pass through.

  • anonNYmous

    John,

    I understand the fact that you find BW rankings less credible.

    So does it seem fair, that you increase the % weight-age of the parameters GMAT, GPA etc. If those were fair parameters, why was the same weight-age not given to them last year?

    🙂

  • GSBda

    This is verifiably false. Stanford has been handily “winning” the dual-admit war for a long time. Both are great schools sure, but a fact is a fact.

  • Hey gg

    Something like that.

  • HBSgrad

    Numbers don’t lie. It’s not about what you “think.” I would “think” a Stanford guy would use better logic than yours. And if we go by data and not what you “think,” you will see that more people choose HBS. #lol

  • RankingsConfused

    What is the value of published rankings from USN, BW, Forbes, FT, etc? Isn’t the ranking of the b-school from recruiters more valuable since a MBA is only a means to an end? In some circles Michigan Ross is a top 10 and then there are others with NYU Stern is in the top 10. What is the “real” top 10? Should’t it be what employers determine it to be?

  • RealisticMAN

    a typical HBS trash. No wonder why these problems in the economy and crisis here and there because this is the type of people who are in charge. less than 600 is “mentally ill”, I strongly believe that you are mentally ill.

  • MBAobserver

    John, why do not you give a chance for your readers here and followers in the other media means to have a say in your ranking? for example you could allocate 15 to 20 % for us here, we can vote!! just to differentiate P&Q and make it more comprehensive.

  • PoorPoet

    Fully agree with MBA Rankings Follower. Columbia Business School remains an excellent choice. The new campus in Manhattanville will be the gold standard across the country. The student quality for top-management consulting is exceptional, I can say this confidently being active in recruiting for MBB.

  • nanu-nanu

    While I generally agree with the results, I think your methodology fails the test. 35% for USN, with Forbes at 25% and everyone else back in the pack, is basically saying, “this is a USN ranking.” Why not make USN 20% and all the other rankings 15% and then add your own personal ranking for 20%? That would be just as “valid”. By giving overdue weight to USN, and discounting all the others, you’re basically elevating USN and discounting FT/BW/Econ (35% vs 40%)… why even include them? You could just load the M7 as 50% weight (since there is no variation year-to-year, very stable) as a baseline. If you materially discount Economist’s ranking, then what’s the point of including them? Next time, I’ll just look at USN.

  • MBA Rankings Follower

    Furthermore, Columbia’s technology and startup placement can’t match Stanford’s, MIT Sloan’s or UC Berkeley Haas’s either:

    Columbia placed 12.1% of graduates in technology compared to 26.1% at MIT, 24% at Stanford (this is from last year’s 32%) and you can bet that more than 12.1% of Haas’s 2014 class will go into technology.

    So my posts clearly prove that Columbia can’t compete with the best business schools in terms of its finance placement and it loses to the tech-focused business schools such as Stanford, MIT and UC Berkeley’s Haas when it comes to technology despite its emphasis on other fields.

  • RankingsBull

    Respect the opinion Albert. Clearly, you admire Stanford, and maybe graduated from there or hope to one day, which is all great. In any event, Stanford is undeniably one of the world’s finest institutions and the GSB is rightly renowned. I personally would not comment on dual admits between Stanford and Harvard. I just think the rare privilege of a dual admit would be the proverbial great problem to have and I view such a decision as almost silly, as one would pick the school that excited them more and could not make a poor decision.
    As to BW and Forbes and any ranking including USN and P&Q, they are all flawed in their own rights, and people will gravitate to what they feel most comfortable with. As stated, I think GMATs, GPAs, and Admit Rates are too simple a measurement tool for any of the Top 25 programs, as their students are all extraordinary, smart, and talented. So for me, it takes 2 seconds to confirm those metrics, and then I am more interested in learning about other more unique factors such as those that BW and Forbes for example try and measure, even if imperfectly. Just my strong opinion.
    Cheers!

  • med

    Get over yourself you piece of trash

  • Jimmy B

    John, with this ranking you have solidified P&Q’s rise to the #1 MBA ranking worldwide. I am impressed by your and the team’s ability to create the P&Q brand to represent the go-to arena for MBA information. Kudos to you all.

    I’m sure Sandy K is upset with you for dropping HBS. Whatever, old grump!

    -Impressed

  • Albert

    BW ranking is particularly flawed. No one really ever thinks Fuqua should take the top spot (ask ANY applicant or current student including those from Fuqua). I think in the end that recent BW ranking did not do any good to Fuqua– arguably, it even did more harm.

    Stanford GSB should have taken the top spot in P&Q ranking long ago given their unique position in tech. Stanford GSB is by far the most difficult school to get into and gets the very cream of the crop, winning the dual admits battle against HBS year after year. This recognition for Stanford is already long overdue. Congrats Stanford!

  • Ben Franklin

    John, for transparency, may I ask how P&Q derived the Index score for each school? Thanks.

  • Ben Franklin

    Variation is one thing. The smell test is another. Some rankings compare schools on only a few metrics yet somehow call it an “MBA Ranking.” Variation only tells part of the story.

  • Ben Franklin

    Probably 36.

  • Guest

    On that note, you conveniently left the HBS and Wharton difference of 0.1 out. Where would you even begin?

  • runningfast

    Great, let’s just call this “U.S. News Rankings 1.0″…

  • elitebraket

    your analysis is completely flawed .. please provide data for or its heresay
    – you provide no data what seo ever

    CBS amission rate is much lower than booth and almost gets double the number of applications as booth ** check admission stats**
    CBS looses out to HBS/wharton finance- says who? have you worked on the street at all? CBS places more at hedge funds than any other school
    CBS looses out in entrepnersuhip? ever checked out the hot start ups in NYC? all are CBS grads

    if u ever lived or attended a board meeting new york- which has the most important financial firms and now tech startups, you would know CBS attracts way more elite candidates than booth

  • Mark

    If your argument is based on Uris, Columbia is building a new home for the business school (Manhattanville Campus).
    CBS had the best job placement (along with Wharton) last year.

  • johnny

    actually the difference between W and H is only .1, the smallest of any of the differences, yet you point out the .4 difference between W and Booth as insignificant? then you say maybe a tier should be HSB. a little biased aren’t you?

  • GottaWinMBA2017

    All of the school links are going to a 2010 write-up of HBS. 🙁

    Is this a subliminal message, to tell us we must go to HBS or be losers for the rest of our lives?!

  • Josh

    M7 are M7.. Harvard Stanford Wharton Booth Columbia Kellogg MIT Sloan

  • Raj

    Difference between Columbia (5) and Kellogg (6) is insignificant 0.2
    Difference between MIT Sloan (7) Dartmouth (8) is insignificant 0.3
    Difference between Wharton (3) and Chicago Booth (4) is insignificant 0.4
    Difference between Berkeley (8) and Duke Fuqua (9) is insignificant 0.2

    John, Why don’t you create the TIERS/ Leagues of Peer schools??? Like HSW or HSB or M7 or A8 they use.. Does M7 exist even today? Do the deans meet regularly?!?!

  • Raj

    GREAT! This is AWESOME work John.. THE MOST RELIABLE B-SCHOOL RANKINGS… Amazing.. M7 are M7 with Tuck at 8.. Any one who knows the business world can agree.. Though I see Kellogg and MIT may rise over Columbia in coming years.. You said Yale SOM is a winner but actually Duke Fuqua is the real winner with a Top 9 spot!

  • marcus

    I am astonished that Poets and Quant with its East Coast heuristic thinking would put Stanford at the top. In terms of selectivity Stanford is clearly the most competitive school to get into by a long shot. but at the end of the day… biz school is over rated in my opinion… just go out and kick some A$$ and forget about what amounts to a pretty worthless degree when it comes to business… especially start ups.

  • David

    Columbia is horribly overrated. Early decision and J-term greatly weaken the caliber of its student body. In finance placement it loses out to HBS, Wharton, Booth, and in tech/entrepreneurship it loses out to rest of the M7 along with Haas.

    And of course, Uris is an absolute nightmare. It’s no wonder that people choose Booth over CBS, including NYC finance people. Booth will be top 3 in a few years while CBS will be barely top 10.

  • Wow

    Less credible due the the large year to year variations.

  • ArgumentforTiers

    I am not RankingsBull but thank you for the compliment! I did not realize that RankingsBull had both owned or invented the “Cheers” moniker, but I thank you for clarifying.
    Cheers!

  • DD

    RankingsBull, if you’re going to pretend to be a second commenter, perhaps you should consider changing your sign off.
    Cheers!

  • ArgumentforTiers

    That’s awesome! Thank you for all of the clarification to the readers of this website!!! We were all totally in the dark and your ruling makes this settled law now as far as I am concerned – and especially since you have HBS in your name, we feel even better…
    Thank you for the analytics. Cheers!

  • HBS750

    it is a norm at the top business schools, if you scored under 700, you are not smart enough to be a business leader, better for you to maintain your job and plan well for your retirement. If you scored less 600, you are mentally ill. thats life, sorry about that.

  • ArgumentforTiers

    So you seriously believe that the same case study at both Duke and Harvard on Pepsi and Coke for example would be notably superior at Harvard than at Duke because Harvard’s students are so much better than Duke’s????
    Because I do not, not even slightly!
    I think that is ludicrous to believe that. IMO You are giving far more credit to GMATs and those that simply take a test better than others then is deserved…
    Appreciate the dialogue, but I think we truly disagree with each other on this one…
    Cheers!

  • Devils0508

    But they don’t have equally strong students. Do you think Harvard and Duke have comparable student bodies? They don’t at all.

  • TopTierMBA

    John, I have been following MBA program rankings since you completed Business Week’s first MBA program ranking in the 80’s. I think you did an excellent job with the P&Q composite rankings. The latest Business Week ranking is a total joke in my opinion. I could do as well by throwing darts at a ranking board and what you see is what you get. The best and the brightest are definitely not working on the Business Week business school team right now!

  • Where is the basis…

    P&Q = USN (pretty much). The methodology here is way too subjective and created from complete thin air. Who gives P&Q the credibility to design these weights… Anyone can play with this weight distribution to come up with the ranking they like. 20% equal distribution is the only fair way to go.

  • MBAobserver

    what do you mean by “less accurate”?

  • emc2

    Where did American University fall? Or were they left off the list? – why?

  • ArgumentforTiers

    Preceded by your “genius” thesis that schools are best judged within the predicable and sterile vacuum of gmats, gpas, and acceptance rates – right? As RankingsBull notes in his/her post, all top business schools have string students. What else can we measure these schools by?

  • Devils0508

    So they should make a less accurate ranking just to differentiate their product? That’s an incredibly stupid opinion.

  • RankingsBull

    Lol!! Great argument btw. Point well-driven home, as I now feel schooled on this topic.
    Cheers!

  • Warren

    she needs milk 😉

  • Fass

    Look fonty guy, you are angry now, it is not good for your blood pressure to comment on rankings, go to bed, have some warm things, put them wherever you want and relax. after then, you can come and tell us what ranking should we pick to amuse you.

  • RankingsBull

    The USN Rankings Lemmings have now officially taken over! It is all GMATs and GPAs and Admit Rates! How Sad. There is now truly no reason to read any other ranking than USN since P&Q is officially a near mirror. As flawed and quirky as BW and Forbes are, they each attempted to measure factors that are hard to consider and far more interesting to many in the MBA marketplace then GPA, GMAT scores, and Acceptance Rates. Most applicants do not need USN and their former College Confidential Goblins to tell them that top 25 MBA Programs have very smart and talented students. Most MBA Applicants into top programs should expect excellent fellow students and instead be more interested in the measurement of more difficult factors that help them determine “Fit” and goals.
    In the end, I am confident that the Class Discussion on Blue Ocean Strategies will be just as stimulating with students whose average GMAT scores are 690, as those who average 720. Not a great way to pick your business school! Cheers!

  • TasteME

    I think the right girl is ready..

  • MBAobserver

    by following the “norm”, you are risking the reputation of this site and just make it as another US News, if the P&Q become more and more close to U S news, then why should anyone look at it, we better go to US NEWS with all its massive resources and take the real ranks and figures. We come here to see the things that we can not see at other rankings, we come here to eliminate the flaws in other rankings. So, i see it too risky to follow “Norm” and perceptions.

  • devils0508

    Good work John. I don’t know why everyone is complaining about the BusinessWeek reduction. By definition, anything that both deviates substantially from the norm AND has large year over year variation is less reliable and definitely deserves less weightings.

    There’s always subjectivity in this, but a ranking that doesn’t include the caliber of the class profile OR post-graduation employment outcomes is absolutely useless. I’d give BusinessWeek less than 15% even.

  • johnio

    So that your preferred schools remain entrenched at the top? Brilliant!

  • Herr

    hang on nora..

  • FormerStern

    It isn’t underperforming in the other rankings. It’s overrated by US News…

  • Nora

    “This year marks a slight change to the weighting in Poets&Quants’ ranking. Due to significant changes in the methodology at Businessweek, changes that have made that ranking less credible and authoritative, we have reduced its weight in our composite ranking.”

    Less credible and authoritative based on what? The fact that the results don’t align with your biased perception of the quality of American B-schools?

  • Guest

    “This year marks a slight change to the weighting in Poets&Quants’ ranking. Due to significant changes in the methodology at Businessweek, changes that have made that ranking less credible and authoritative, we have reduced its weight in our composite ranking.”

    Less credible and authoritative based on what? The fact that the results don’t align with your biased perception of the quality of American B-schools?

  • Dio

    This is almost an exact mirror of the crowdsource MBA rankings. I guess the power of the internet (or even just 14,000 votes), is as good as all of these journals.

    To see for yourself, just search for “Let’s Crowdsource MBA Rankings!” – it’s the first hit.

    Rankings (score out of 100)
    Stanford – 87
    Harvard – 87
    Wharton – 81
    Chicago – 69
    Columbia – 69
    Northwestern – 69
    MIT – 67
    UC Berkeley – 56
    Dartmouth – 53
    NYU – 45
    Duke – 42
    Yale – 42
    UCLA – 28
    UVA – 26
    UMich – 23
    CMU – 10
    UT – 8

  • Hedge67

    another little note: Penn’s Smeal wasn’t ranked #6 last year!!

  • Hedge67

    John, why did you include the Wake Forest in this year’s list? I thought they have left the full time MBA market! Is this ranking for all MBA forms or just for the Full Time?

  • BigBang

    Stern did well in the economist ranking, it is ranked #6!!

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  • M7 Guest

    John et all,

    You previously mentioned that P&Q had a fair bit of new content in the works. Is there a plan to do a ranking based on purely on pay package, employment percentages, and “elite” recruiters?

    On an unrelated note, any reason in your mind why Stern under-performs so severely in all but the USN rankings?

    Cheers,
    G

  • MBA Rankings Follower

    Pretty consistent results here. I agree that this year was Stanford’s time to take the top ranking with its focus on technology and entrepreneurship aligning so well with a broader trend in the business world that has many more students having an interest in technology and starting their own business or working for a startup.

    I’m kind of surprised with Columbia’s rise to #5 especially in light of data that shows it is losing in the PE, hedge fund and VC race to other top schools such as Harvard, Stanford, Wharton etc. Columbia says it has more students interested in startups and technology but its placement in those fields can’t match UC Berkely’s and yet the school is still ranked higher than both Haas and MIT Sloan. I’m interested to see how Columbia’s Early Decision and J-Term programs effect its admissions statistics. Yield must be boosted significantly compared to other schools that do not have Early Decision options.

    I think Yale’s move was expected eventually and this was its year. It was always strange to see a school with such a strong reputation at the undergraduate level and in other graduate programs such as law and medicine have an MBA program ranked so low. Overtime I think you will see Yale continue to move higher fueled by the strength of its overall reputation and the cascading effect it will have on the MBA program.

  • JohnAByrne

    That’s actually a neat idea. Thanks. Will look into that.

  • Buffett

    John, if the variation of a ranking between one year to the next has an inverse correlation with its “authoritative-ness”, perhaps you should measure the variation of each ranking (USN, BW, Forbes, etc) and build that in to your weighting system for P&Q’s composite ranking. Just a suggestion to be consistent moving forward…