How Yale SOM Crashed The M7 Party

Yale University’s School of Management

For Amy Saltzman, it really came down to three business schools: Wharton, Dartmouth Tuck, and Yale University’s School of Management. When she was mulling over those choices, at least seven out of ten people urged her to go to Wharton. After all, it was the higher ranked school with the most well-known MBA program.

“I got a lot of opinions,” recalls the 29-year-old Saltzman. “The whole process is filled with self-doubt and self-reflection, and my initial gut instinct said it had to be Wharton. Was that even a question? Besides, Yale had not been on my radar before. But I visited the program, saw how global and diverse it was. It was such an eclectic group of students that I felt it was really unique.”

She turned down both Wharton and Tuck and has never looked back. After spending four and one-half years in international development in China and two years at a nonprofit in New York, Saltzman became part of SOM’s Class of 2018. “It really came down to what kind of people did I want to shape and inform my opinions about business and the world and what kind of person I wanted to be coming out of school,” she says.

SOM HAS MORE APPLICANTS PER SEAT THAN MOST PEER SCHOOLS

It’s a sign of the times. The top three undergraduate universities have long been known by the shorthand HYP (Harvard, Yale and Princeton), while the top three business schools have gone by the acronym HSW, obviously meaning Harvard, Stanford, and Wharton. In recent years, the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business has come on so strong that many think the W has fallen off the acronym. Given the momentum of Yale’s School of Management, however, it could very well become HSY in the not too distant future.At the very least, SOM has crashed the M7 party, the term used to describe the magnificent seven best MBA programs in the world.

True, Yale only solidly broke into the Top Ten of U.S. MBA programs a year ago when it placed ninth. But the school has formidable momentum. Regardless of the rankings–which consider a wide variety of metrics, including those that hardly measure changes in quality–all indications are that SOM has decisively turned a corner under Dean Edward ‘Ted’ Snyder. Since his arrival in July of 2011, applications to the school’s MBA program are up a whopping 46%, more than any other peer school, at a time when applications to two-year MBA programs have generally declined.

With a 13% increase in the latest admissions cycle, Yale SOM has for the first time received more than 4,000 applications, or roughly 4,114 applicants, for its 340 seats. There are now more applicants per classroom seat at Yale, 12.3 candidates for every available classroom slot, than Harvard (10.4), Columbia (9.9), Kellogg (9.6), Wharton (7.8), or Chicago Booth (7.0).

THE ACADEMIC QUALITY OF ITS LATEST INCOMING CLASS WAS JUDGED SECOND BEST

But it’s not merely a numbers game. The overall quality of Yale’s applicant pool has shown steady and remarkable improvement, from visible and less visible metrics. The average GMAT of the entire applicant pool this year exceeded 700 for the first time at 702, a 14-point improvement over the 688 five years earlier in 2012. The average undergraduate GPA for the entire pool hit 3.49 last year, up from the 3.40 in 2012. Meantime, the average GMAT for the enrolled class hit a record 725 last year, up from 720 in 2012, while the average GPA for incoming students was 3.63, better than 3.54 in 2012 (see table on next page).

“We’ve always attracted top candidates to Yale SOM, but what has struck me over the past several years is the depth of the applicant pool, which means that there really is no ‘tail’ to the class anymore,” says Bruce DelMonico, director of MBA admissions. “Deciding who to admit among this deep pool of candidates has been an increasingly difficult task, but it is certainly a good problem to have and one we take very seriously.”

When U.S. News published its latest MBA ranking earlier this year, in fact, the magazine informed the school that it ranked second (behind only Stanford) in the academic quality of its students on a composite GMAT/GRE score, which is used in U.S. News‘ ranking calculations (this data is only disclosed to the schools and not publicly available but Poets&Quants has confirmed the U.S. News calculation.) That’s especially significant because Yale SOM boasts among the highest percentages of enrolled students who take the GRE, 22%. That’s more than three times Columbia Business School (7%) or more than twice as many as Wharton (9%), a testament to the broader range of intellectual interests and academic backgrounds that make up SOM’s student body.

TOTAL MEDIAN PAY FOR SOM GRADS NOW EXCEEDS THOSE AT COLUMBIA, MIT & CHICAGO

Current students say they can actually see the improvement in their classmates and the responses they’re getting from potential employers. “In my two years here, people really feel that the quality of the class has consistently improved,” says Bernier Lauredan Jr., a second-year MBA who will graduate this month. Recruiters are telling us they are more and more interested in SOM talent. You feel it. Every class seems to be raising the bar.”

And even though SOM places 6% of its class into non-profit and public sector jobs where the pay is significantly lower, the total median compensation packages of $148,761 landed by SOM graduates last year was roughly equal to those achieved by graduates of Wharton where just 2.3% go into social impact jobs and more than MBAs from many other prestige schools, including Columbia, MIT Sloan, Chicago Booth, and UC-Berkeley Haas.

Some admitted SOM applicants, concedes Lauredan, will sometimes ask him why so few graduates are hired by a specific gold-plated company, not taking into account the fact that the size of Yale’s graduating 340-student class is little more than a third of Harvard (930) and less than half of Wharton (850), or Columbia (780). “Our interests are much more diverse and our class size is much smaller,” says Lauredan, who helped to organize SOM’s Welcome Weekend as admissions chair of the student government group. “I never felt like I was at a disadvantage by not being at another school. SOM is becoming a much bigger part of the success of Yale as an institution. So you can tap into Yale College and Yale Law School We’re right up there in terms of what you can achieve and what you can get.”

Meet the Dean of Yale SOM, Ted Snyder, at the CentreCourt MBA Festival in New York on May 20

  • SoWhat

    And Insead is #1 in FT. No one should care about BW, FT and the economist rankings, those have nothing to do with actual utility from the schools in question and their methodology is surprisingly bad.
    A few years ago people would have preferred Fuqua > SOM, but it has changed drastically.

  • Whartonite

    Amazing the strides SOM has made. It has certainly solidified itself as a top destination and is now able to compete for the best and the brightest. They used to split candidates with Darden, Fuqua and Stern, now they compete closer with MIT, CBS and Kellogg.

  • adselge

    HSY? Really?! This is the funniest thing I have heard in a while. Your agenda against Wharton has been well documented throughout the years.

    SOM is not a fully established top 10 school yet, it is of course nowhere near HSW.

  • TravelerPHD

    We get more than 50% dual admits with Tuck. Number last year was closer to 75% (3 out of 4). Most of your rambling incoherent rant was incorrect but that claim at the bottom is demonstrably false.

  • MBAcomptorII

    Lol ya ok. Fuqua isn’t an M7 sureeeeee. It was ranked Number 1 in Bloomberg Newsweek last year, higher than HBS and the other 6 M7’ers

  • KelloggFrstFlakes

    P&Q doesn’t like CBS, according to the follies USNews and World Report doesn’t like CBS either.

  • Umm no

    So then you have no backup for the information (i.e. some kind of survey) nor are you the primary source of the information because you did not speak to the students yourself. So then the information is second-hand gossip at best. Again, using verified employment information from the school, Wharton and CBS are the top business schools for i-banking (and I can provide you with the underlying data to back up this claim if you like). And “any school can get students well-paid jobs.” lol so you’re saying that any business school can get students jobs that pay better than i-banking? Pretty much only PE and hedge funds pay better than i-banking for newly minted MBAs. Tons of MBAs want these jobs and pretty much only HSW and CBS are only able to place significant numbers of students in these jobs. Everything you wrote in your post is factually inaccurate.

  • LBSwatcher

    Any school can get students well-paid jobs, but the best schools can get students the jobs they want… even if salary lower. Wharton failed to did that for 100 students. Sorry, it is what it is. If you think I needed to stand outside Wharton to get the information, then you are not very smart, so good luck in life. Cheers.

  • Bill38

    reading it for the 2nd time, yea he definitely is. sometimes difficult to tell through all this trolling here 😉

  • Ditto

    Omg now apparently s/he went to HBS!! LOL ok well I’m happy it’s now abundantly obvious how much of a poser this person is.

  • Ditto

    I couldn’t agree more. No way this clown attends/ed any quality MBA program, Cornell included. Let’s use common sense here: why in the world would “troll” pages with how great SOM is, being dead serious with no “jokes” whatsoever?–while at the same time never mentioning Cornell, even though s/he supposedly went there for real?? Either it’s the worst “troll” job of all time, or this person is a just a fraud who has nothing better to do than pretend s/he went to SOM on P&Q until people called him/her out. I’m going with the latter.
    SOMsquared, if you’re listening, please, tell us all something that only someone who went to Cornell would know (that you can’t look up online). Like something really mundane. Go ahead, prove it champ.

  • tz

    If your comment is correct, then Yale SOM is a paper tiger and will probably drop in the rankings in future years – I mean, I would expect no less if the quality of the students have “drastically deteriorated” due to the admissions team “[ignoring] all the other critical components of what makes a good MBA student” (lol). So why don’t you just wait to have the last laugh.

  • Executive competitor

    I love the integrated course

  • Ummm no

    This is fake news. You obviously didn’t talk to 100 separate Wharton students who someone all tried to get banking jobs but were rejected (and if you did, wow, I feel sorry for you for creepily stalking Wharton students). Regardless, numerous organizations have consistently ranked Wharton and CBS the best business schools for i-banking (using actual data, I might add). And regardless, you’re now changing your story to suggest that these 100 students did in fact get jobs, just not i-banking jobs. Even if that is true, they must have gotten some pretty good jobs since these fake 100 students represent over 10% of Wharton’s class and yet Wharton has the highest average salary of any business school. These 100 imaginary students are clearly not pulling down the average very much….

  • tz

    I’m pretty sure he/she’s being sarcastic.

  • SomCubed

    SOM can easily replace Booth or Kellogg based on brand alone. Old M7 irrelevant

  • AGL

    On the other hand, I believe that Yale is attracting top international students because of the value of their brand. International students tend to prefer Yale over lesser known schools (internationally) like Tuck, Fuqua and even Kellogg. Yale has the Ivy League status worldwide and a strong network of alumni – like the Central Banker of India, the former president of Mexico and so on. Those students would be highly benefited if at the end of their program they go back to their home countries. In our firm we actively look for international graduates and consistently see Yale’s quality of international students. Hope it helps!

  • LBSwatcher

    Sure. That makes a lot of sense.

  • LBSwatcher

    So, Wharton prouds itself to have a solid finance platform but nearly 100 students did not get into banking for a summer internship – which turns eventually into a full time offer. Stats do not show that failure because those students eventually get ANOTHER job, but not the one they originally wanted. The information comes from students themselves.

  • Well

    SOMers have a better chance because they do not constantly feel entitled to everything so they know when to make an effort which then translates to the number of offers. Maybe that’s what you are missing.

  • Umm no

    Can you point me to where you found that statistic? According to USNWR, 95.5% of Wharton grads accepted job offers within 3 months of graduation, which is higher than the comparable figure from HBS, GSB, and Booth. Yes, Wharton’s survey response rate is lower than other top schools, which isn’t great, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume that everyone who did not respond to the survey is unemployed.

  • hegHag

    I’d love to be unemployed associated with Wharton than employed and associated with LBS or any other miserable euroepan school.

  • Common Sense

    John, these articles against Wharton are honestly getting ridiculous. You had an article a while back that showed percentage of people at private equity firms and HSW standout among all other schools in that list. You’ve also recently had articles that show schools students are getting the most funding for startups and HSW along with MIT stand out. Someone could say well not everyone wants to work for private equity, hedge funds or raise money for a startup – this is true but guess what these are currently the hardest jobs to get and ultimately if you can get a job that other people want and can’t get that is more valuable in the market economy we live in. To say that Yale falls anywhere in this realm with HSW is just plain absurdity and this whole thing about Booth catching up with W is this narrative you’ve been playing for years. Understandably you’re trying to get clicks, but just admit the bias. HSY – common man.

  • OG

    Thanks! Very helpful indeed.

  • No Mystery Here

    Ted’s formula isn’t hard to put Yale in the conversation as a top program:

    1) Tilt towards higher stats to boost ranking and offer scholarships to those that move the needle up
    2) Focus on pushing students towards higher paying traditional jobs or admit those that shows interest
    3) Leverage the university brand (something McDonough can’t seem to do right) to draw applicants and employers

    Also new buildings don’t hurt. Not saying it’s a bad formula but it shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone SOM is climbing. Just hope it doesn’t lose the identity as being a great feeder to the Social Sector in the process.

  • somsquared

    I went to HBS but fully support SOM’s rise – SOM might be #1 in USNEWS very soon

  • LBSwatcher

    Most of my finance peers got a job in top finance firms. If you go to Wharton you can surely compute the return of the students that invested 150k and got no job x 100.

  • hegHag

    when you call for a funding campaign and you barely get few millions, a mediocre school in US can get tens and hundreds of millions as gift, how can you compete or afford good students or professors? non US schools are miserable ones and get only the to US rejected applicants. Someone told me that 80 to 90 % of LBS and INSEAD students are the rejects of the M7 schools in US.

  • Applicant2018

    Why do people get so defensive? Someone found good things to say about Yale. Good for everyone! In the end you (hopefully we) are all gonna sit side by side in the companies. Congrats Yalies for being mature and not replying to all the offensiveness and insecurity.

  • LBSwatcher

    1) “They” do you even go to b-school? and 2) unlike you, I am not making it up. Always remember: 100 kids = no job.

  • hegHag

    In wharton, they call London the Trimuph of business school, pretty much a representation of the british motoring industry..

  • Bill38

    Have you actually thought about the argument you just made? You accuse Yale of admitting better students and then getting them job offers at high profile companies? Isn’t that exactly more or less the purpose of an MBA, to get me the job I want, preferably (from my perspective) at a top tier employer? Basically you blame Yale for improving the quality of their student body as well as their job placement

  • LBSwatcher

    In London we call Wharton the Kodak of b-schools. More of the same and no innovation. I heard 100 students applied to banking and didn’t get in. 100!

  • Passer-by

    Exactly…. don’t know where his inferiority complex comes from…

  • elite

    spot on
    P&Q favors HBS/yale/booth
    P&Q doesn’t like wharton/cbs
    anyone with half a brain can see that through all the articles

  • maas

    I’m guessing instead of Fuqua you meant Booth right??? hahaha

  • HSY????

    For this article, John found one person who turned down Wharton for Yale SOM (probably 1 of like 2 people who do this every few years), says that Booth is surpassing Wharton, and then argues that HSY might eventually be a thing (even though Yale is only ranked #10, does not have a strong international reputation relative to HSW, and its business school is relatively unknown among the general public). I feel like every article on this site discussing the relative strengths of MBA programs turns into John bashing Wharton. No other MBA program is singled out for criticism on this site to the same extent as W. Not really sure what his agenda is here….

  • RealHBS

    I know you as a SOM student can take a syntax class at the larger Yale University…College life all over again!

  • BSailorous

    SOM is an ugly step sister of Yale University, and it is trying so hard, maybe too hard..

  • Aussie19

    Seems like not too many schools could send 20% of their “kids” to the top consulting firms…playing the numbers game, seems that SOMers have a better chance of landing the job. Am I missing anything?

  • M7er

    Lol Fuqua! You do realize it’s not M7, not even top 10 right?

  • RealSomAlum

    also I forgot….to address the ‘gaming the stats’ question, I think that is really just a bogus claim lobbed up by discontent alums from other schools. If anything the main change has been the amount of money the school has been allocating to scholarships. SOM used to struggle to compete with other peer schools like CBS, Kellogg etc. on this front but I know they have made it a priority. I for instance choose SOM over Tuck and Kellogg in part to scholarship/grant.

    I would imagine the type of student apply hasn’t materially changed, but the so-called ‘gaming’ is a result of SOM focusing on scholarships as a way of winning those battles.

    Hope this helps clear up some of the trolling nonsense!

  • RealSomAlum

    I can take a stab at this. Graduated last year. No one cares at all about the P&Q trolling. Ive never had anyone say anything but great things about SOM to my face, perhaps behind a computer people actually feel differently.

    In terms of the changing student, I think you can sense there is a change. I went there after the new school was built and Snyder was in place so I didn’t see a distinct ‘change in culture’. If you compared my class to classes 10 years ago perhaps there is a more distinct change. The way I have seen change materialize is students seem more accomplished, i’m not trying to troll but my friends and I often question whether or not we would have been able to get in with the current standards.

    There are certainly a lot of non-traditional backgrounds (like my own) but at the end of the day you are going to get your MBA to get the best possible job in whatever field you choose. I went into consulting and am very happy where I landed. I never had any difficulty getting an interview at any company I choose and I think like all top business school the rest is up to the candidate. I never understood the claim that SOM is selling out its identity, while we take pride in having a unique culture it is still a business school and students tend to gravitate towards traditional b-school exit opportunities (finance and consulting).

  • truthsquared

    Don’t be too sure. Does it make sense to begin trusting someone the second they say something that aligns with your preconceived assumptions? Couldn’t somsquared simply be trying to drag Johnson’s name through the mud by associating with them? We’ll never really know where somsquared went to school.

  • MBAcomptorll

    The question is which M7 would SOM replace. There is only school it could potentially beat out would be CBS or maybe Kellogg. There is no way someone would turn down an offer to HBS, Stanford, Fuqua or Wharton to go to SOM. I just can’ t see it.

  • OG

    I’ve only been reading P&Q for a couple of months, and in that time I have seen more vitriol thrown at Yale SOM from commenters than any other school. There is even a troll who goes around pretending to be a Yale alum in order to soil the school’s reputation (why hasn’t this person been banned?). It is especially baffling because none of these critical commenters apparently went to SOM. It’s not certain they’ve even attended an M7 school.

    It would be nice to hear directly from SOM MBA alumni on the controversy. Is Yale SOM “gaming the stats”? Is the school “not respected by the parent University”? Is it “losing their soul by catering to Finance and MBB types.” ?

  • HBSailor

    wait Fuqua hasn’t surpassed an average GMAT of 700 even in this arm’s race of higher GMAT scores bahahaha.

    BTW SOM will never be matched with HBS, we are larger and have a 100 year track record. They can maybe…MAYBE…scrape the top 5.

  • HBSailor

    7 years of increasing applications would counter your poorly written attack. Do they teach syntax at whatever b-school spit you out?

  • Shandeep3233

    With all due respect (I am a Duke undergrad alum) I think grouping Fuqua, Darden and to some extent Stern with SOM is no longer applicable. Fuqua is a great program but admits an entirely different profile of student. Their average GMAT is sub 700 because they value a different type of personality/characteristics in their students….I think claiming they are a peer school of SOM is off-base. Perhaps 5 years ago…but that ship has sailed.

  • DonLemonaid

    last time I checked GPA GMAT number of apps and acceptance rate are all quantifiable….SOM outpaced many of the peer schools in these measures. Want to try again?

  • SamanthaB

    wow we finally got some honesty from this troll. I think someone else called out that he/she went to Cornell. Not that anyone ever believed ‘somsquared’ actually went to SOM but I am surprised that they actually went to A B-School altogether!

  • BlueDevils

    Yea its very fishy that they selected a 7 year timeline. Just because they got a new buildling, new dean and new strategy 7 years ago. If you look at a longer timeline like 20 years Fuqua is still higher rated (by taking the ratings, adding them together and dividing by 20)

  • MBA Latam

    I believe the article does a good job at highlighting the things that have gone well at Yale SOM in recent years. Another feature that has added to its attractiveness for applicants and faculty is the new, world-class infrastructure.

    I do not really see the point in bashing schools. I mean, they are all great schools and in most cases we applied to more than one. In the end, we make a school choice but that does not make that school better or worse than the ones we turned down. When we go to work, we have colleagues who went to different schools and they can all be great performers and friends.

    Most schools are doing great stuff and prospective students could find articles about such things helpful in their school research.

    Schools that have a very strong parent university, such as Yale SOM, are right to use that in their advantage. Why in the world wouldn’t they do that? I predict Oxford Said and Cambridge Judge in the UK will also benefit from that condition as years go by and get closer to the likes of LBS.

    Schools like Yale SOM that are young in relative terms, of course lag in the size of alumni and long-time networks at specific companies. But are younger/smaller schools just banned from improving for eternity?

    Is Yale SOM part of the M7? it is not, if you believe that the M7 is a permanent/rigid group of schools that will stay unchanged forever. It is just my opinion, but I guess schools should indeed move up and down on rankings over time. I do take abrupt changes with a grain of salt, but a school that consistently makes improvements will see its reputation grow, and vice versa.

    Can Yale SOM offer M7-like education and career opportunities? that is for you to decide and it will always be your opinion. Do you believe averages are right for school comparisons? or do you prefer to look at the “luckiest”, the “stars” or the low performers at each school? Do you believe career opportunities in the USA are the only ones that matter?

  • SamanthaS

    GZRAMS…ya show us some stats outside of improved MBB placement. Just because the amount of applicants have increased 40% thats just because no one even knew Yale was a school…most people thought it wasn’t a school.

    Just because more people apply to SOM and it is more exclusive than some of the other M7s doesn’t mean that it is an M7. For instance, Fuqua still outplaces SOM to companies like deloitte where we send an insane amount of candidates.

    Seriously what other measure can you use? There aren’t any quantifiable stats to show that SOM is better than Fuqua/Stern/Ross other than GPA, GMAT, job placement, #of applications and acceptance rate…

  • somsquared

    Honestly my schtick may have run its course. I actually went to Cornell Johnson and was just mocking an arrogent SOM student. Now that all of my bluster is coming true the whole joke doesn’t seem as funny anymore 🙂

    But SOM is still better than HBS!

  • 123

    I totally agree. It seems like Yale is gaming the system. They have been intentionally getting better students (with higher GPAs and from traditional backgrounds) and trying their hardest to send them to top companies. I heard this year they sent 23 kids to McK, 18 to BCG and 15 to Bain. That’s nearly 20% of their class to MBB. On top of that they are actively advertising their new building and top faculty to increase the number of applicants – the whole thing is very unusal.

  • gooddatapls

    That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying, John.

  • somsquared

    lol I’m right here – y’all said I was a “Troll” for saying SOM is M7 – like I was saying I know several people who turned down big name schools like Booth, HBS, Wharton, Kellogg for Yale SOM. SOM will be top 5 in US NEWS very soon.

  • JohnAByrne

    This is the timeframe to measure Dean Ted Snyder’s impact on the school.

  • gooddatapls

    I agree with you. What’s up with calling out that “massive” application volume increase from 2009-2016? Why did the author select a 7 year span? One has to assume that it is because that 7-year difference shows Yale in the best light, whereas any more logical year span (5 year, 10 year, etc.) apparently doesn’t.

  • Ditto

    I was thinking the same thing, then I realized he’s probably alone in his bedroom reading this… and his hands aren’t free to type, hahaha. Oh how he’s been waiting for this day and this article! Granted, it doesn’t change the fact that that buffoon doesn’t go to SOM or any other quality b-school. But it will (unfortunately) fuel his P&Q trolling for SOM for many more days (if not years) to come.

  • AlexB

    Dear SamanthaS, what is the point of your post? That the world is going to stay where it is and there is no point in even trying to do something? No matter how hard you try, you would never jump as high as Harvard or Stanford? If Yale fails at its effort, would this make you a happy person? I am sincerely very curious about the reasons behind such an aggressive post.

  • MD

    The claim that Yale is “top 5” is outlandish, it’s not. It’s up and coming because Dean Snyder is doing the same thing he did at Booth, which is fund raise better and trim the old way of doing things in favor of making the school more “corporate” like the Columbia/Wharton/etcs of the world. Traditionally Yale had been a more public interest focused MBA program, they are moving away from that rapidly. That said, this history means that they don’t have the deep ties with recruiters that have developed over the last few decades that other schools have. At a place like Goldman/MS/JPM you have Wharton, HBS, and CBS people littered across the MD ranks, Yale doesn’t have this. Because of that Yale still underperforms it’s peer schools (Darden/Stern/Tuck/Fuqua) in recruiting for traditional banking and consulting jobs.

  • John Wall

    I find the integrated curriculum, raw case, etc not make too much sense – I personally think traditional case method makes more sense. I mean, if I need more information I can always Google, right? Why do I need a “raw case”? But it will be too difficult and painful for SOM to correct itself. I also find the Global Network a bit redundant – I simply prefer to maybe exchange for a couple of weeks in another country rather than really work with those guys.

  • 123

    Yale’s strategy is clear: what they say and what they do are different. What they say is to educate leaders for business and society, integrate with Yale, blablabla, all the fancy stuff to improve their public perception; what they do is to desperately improve their rankings by admitting people who have high GMAT, worked in finance, lower the difficulty of application, etc. I doubt how these short term measures can create long term value.

  • BSG

    Cool story.

  • Anon

    MBB is the only reasonable improvement you can cite from employment data here. Zero strength shown outside of that.

    And the application volume is up because until recently, most of the world didn’t even know Yale even had a business school.

  • GZRAMS124

    Pre and post mba metrics such as application volume and MBB placement rate beg to disagree. It’s clearly in M7 territory. Cite something besides clearadmit livewire (LOL, are you for real?) next time.

  • ff

    Simple – P&Q writes garbage articles like this bc it gets the clicks and people riled up.

  • ??

    SomSquared where you at

  • SamanthaS

    How much is Yale paying you? If anything, the obsessive focus on raising stats to go up in the rankings has drastically deteriorated the quality of people going to Yale. I’ve heard from several people that instead of the old passionate & globally-minded SOM type, the school is now full of HSW (& for that matter, BMKC) rejects who happen to have high GMAT scores. That means a stat-heavy class that ignores all the other critical components of what makes for a good MBA student, ignoring the red flags from interviews at Harvard/Wharton/etc that better schools have the luxury of listening to.

    Other evidence of this? Look on ClearAdmit and the recent trends of when interview invites go out. The last few years, Yale has regularly sent huge proportions of invites out less than ONE WEEK after the deadline, and DAYS after the video deadline. Think they’ve actually read these applications? No way-they run the numbers and invite purely based on who can up their medians. True sign of a quality program can be seen so much better by the other M7 and the volume of 750+ gmats who get rejected without interview.

    And yeah, Yale gets a lot of applicants purely from riding the coat tails of the university’s brand, but that doesn’t mean it’s a stronger pool than other places. Just because you found one rare student who turned down Wharton doesn’t mean Yale is regularly winning the cross-admit battles with M7 schools. It’s not. Unless you’re going to Yale Law School or crazy focused on the nonprofit or environmental world, there’s no argument to pick Yale over M7 schools. I’d even be surprised if more people are picking Yale over Tuck.

  • elite

    how convenient .. all the data has been cherry picked to show yale som is star
    who not show how many startups?? yale som has zero
    why not show how many hedge funds recruited at som? zero
    cherrypicking years and data to show only the good stuff