Kellogg Topples Booth To Capture First In 2017 Economist Ranking

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  • Brad
  • avivalasvegas

    As much as I hate disagreeing with you, statistically speaking, you’re wrong. Historically, Kellogg has had more companies recruiting there than most M7 programs. That’s a plus because of the sheer breadth of career options in addition to the standard names that punt at every M7 business school. And a minus… because who wants to work for Bumfuckall Consulting in Idaho?

  • Mballs

    I did MBA from Henley Business School, Full-time (2014-2015). So, 2016 ranking was based on our assessment. Let me paint a sample picture of reality versus Economist ranking.

    Ranking: Percentage who found jobs through the careers service 3 (out of 100)
    Reality: Careers consists of MBTI and Belbin personality test. Nothing else. No recruitment related guidance, or employer panels or anything else for that matter. The School’s reasoning was that the career’s team is new and the head of careers is busy pursuing PhD.

    Ranking: Post-MBA salary ($)107,766; Percentage who received a job offer within three months of graduation 71.0
    Reality: Only 9 people were working after three months of graduation and 7 months of course completion. None had anything to do with careers service. Out of 9, 6 were able to go back to their old jobs after the frustrations of job search.
    Oh and not even the highest salary of any one of them was even close to ($)107,766. As per ranking that’s the average salary.

    Ranking: Potential to network: 1
    Reality: Actual networking events: 0

    Economist ranking doesn’t consist of any matrix for fact checking or avoidance of data manipulation. We had to rank each between 1 to 5. This data submitted to the university is then forwarded to the rankings board. So obviously, the strategy was to give highest points in order to attain highest rankings.
    If you compare the 2016 and 2017 rankings of Henley,it is seen that there is very little change in the inputs. I think the drastic drop in rankings is because the other schools are catching up to the Economist ranking game.

    Point is, either Economist MBA ranking is a complete fraud or hopelessly gullible. Either ways it is not at all reliable.

  • Phillip

    Like I said, look into it. Think of it as a challenge 🙂

    “How significant a change can it really be”: The changes were significant, hence the results across all of the relevant rankings.

    “But most schools”: Certainly one wouldn’t anticipate that all schools behave like the average….

    “I find it hard to believe”: When a person looks at data alone, and ignores the underlying causes, that person may find a lot of things hard to believe.

    Comments often made by those who got blind sided by the competition:
    “How significant a change can it really be?”
    “But most (insert relevant organization type)”
    “I find it hard to believe”

  • BradHasNoData

    How do you know that Kellogg doesn’t attract the companies that HBS/Stanford/Wharton/Columbia do? Where’s the data?

  • ha..

    …and you sound like a try-too-hard Kellogg student or alum with nothing better to do than try to prop up your school. Shouldn’t you be trying to look for a job or something? I guess I expect nothing more from some guy who went to a school named after a cereal company.

  • Sunil Mittal

    Nice try… you sound like a Columbia alum whose trying way too hard here. And clearly who knows nothing about all the top cos that recruit at Kellogg. Let’s have a data-driven discussion here rather than generalities penned by a #fakealum.

  • Deep ak N.A.Shine

    Hey Kellogg , now you are no 1 👍Congratulations. ….keep it up……

  • halo

    See, boys and girls this is an example of the type of “broad” thinking, and “risk-taking”, potential students of “top” MBA programs are known for.

  • Brad

    As a recent Kellogg alum who got admits from other top 5 schools, I chose kellogg because of its amazing tight knit student body and culture. It is an incredible school. It could be ranked #1 in terms of student culture and academics.

    But it does not compare to other top 5 bschools in terms of the number of employers it attracts on campus or job postings. It’s a top 5 school but nowhere near hbs/Stanford/wharton/Columbia in terms of number of companies it attracts. Kellogg should spend 1% of its $350M on the CMC working to attract employers such as tech startups and other medium and small sized companies. Also with an almost 40% international student body that rely on h1b to get a job, they should look at getting most of the below companies on OCR.
    https://poetsandquants.com/2017/03/01/mbas-likely-get-h1b-visa/3/

  • Satoshi Endo

    haha sarcasm is real here

  • Tough to gauge which one’s the correct one to follow

  • Hahaha

    Yay! Kellogg is number 1!
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    Number 1 breakfast cereal!

  • Cam

    Economist always has the most unusual rankings compared to everyone else, we know why it’s so radically different? Are their measurements focussed on different KPIs than US/BW/Forbes?

  • MBAapplicant

    I’m in real dilemma on how to decide between Queensland and MIT. I know Queensland is better but MIT is nice as well. The only concern is brand recognition, everyone knows Queensland MBA and it is one of the most selective (12%) with great parent university unlike MIT where you can get without GMAT and it is nearly unheard of by MBB and tech companies…

  • maas

    @JohnByrne In all honesty I think you should update the metrics of the P&Q ranking. Have the US News rank weigh upwards of 50%. All these other shops are getting way too wild with all the yearly school changes and methodology used.

  • JB87

    LOL!!!! These rankings are a joke!! How can schools swing 20 spots from one year to the other. US News is the only “reliable” ranking out there. I guess all the sway in rankings helps sell magazines!

  • ojo

    Hmmm I am trying to decide between enrolling in Florida (Hough) and MIT Sloan, both next to each other in the rankings….. super tough choice

  • Why

    First, how significant a change can it really be? It’s Florida… Second, schools make significant strategic changes all the time, but most schools stay within a narrow band in the rankings. I find it hard to believe Florida can move 70 slots upward as a result of a “strategic change.”

  • Carol

    Ok, so either way…even if the P&Q allocation methodologies change slightly in HBS’s favor, Wharton can probably finish no more than ~2 slots behind HBS in BW and still win. Thus, even if HBS repeats with a #1 finish in BW, Wharton will more or less GUARENTEE a #1 P&Q 2017 finish by ranking #3 or better in BW. More likely, though, P&Q allocations will remain and Wharton can guarantee a win with a #4 BW ranking.

  • GuptaPrince

    With four of five rankings in for 2017, based on last year’s P&Q ranking methodology of 35% USN, 25% Forbes, 15% FT, and 10% Economist, it looks like the current results would be as follows:
    Current 2017 P&Q Standings:
    Wharton #1 (comp score of 1.45)
    HBS #2 (comp score of 2.00)
    Stanford #3 (comp score of 2.70)
    Kellogg #4 (comp score of 4.30)
    Booth #5 (comp score of 4.35)
    Of course, BusinessWeek will determine the final P&Q result in November, but if we assume the same BW results as 2016, then HBS would take #1 (2.15 comp score) for P&Q 2017, Wharton #2 (2.35 comp score), Stanford #3 (3.00 comp score), Booth #4 (4.95 comp score), and Kellogg #5 (5.65 comp score).
    However, for Wharton to take #1 overall, it can finish no more than 3 slots behind HBS (ex. HBS #1, Wharton #4) in BusinessWeek. For Wharton to hold off Stanford, it can finish no more than 8 slots behind Stanford in BusinessWeek.
    Again, this all assumes the same P&Q allocation as last year. We will see in 19 days.

  • Phillip

    They made significant strategic change back in 2012. Look into it.

  • Why

    How does Florida go from #90 to #20 in a matter of a few years? Ugh. ::Headdesk::