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Meet The Cornell Johnson MBA Class of 2017

Members of the Class of 2017 at Cornell University's Johnson Graduate School of Management

Members of the Class of 2017 at Cornell University’s Johnson Graduate School of Management

It’s Marketing 101: Get out into the field. Talk to customers, prospects, and leaders. Learn about their day-to-day. Share their aspirations and identify their struggles. Once you’ve absorbed all that, sit down and design solutions that ease their burdens and help them compete and grow.

Sounds simple, right?

Consult any MBA case study: The devil comes with the time, commitment, and detail involved. Priorities change. Budgets dwindle. Sacred cows get threatened. Passions cool. That’s why change is so difficult to sustain. And it’s why the recent curriculum reforms at the Johnson Graduate School of Management at Cornell University are so remarkable.

A CURRICULUM DESIGNED WITH EMPLOYERS AND ALUMNI

Picture this: Three years ago, Johnson embarked on the path less traveled. Recognizing that forces like emerging markets, evolving technologies, and changing expectations were remaking business, the school chose to revamp its entire curriculum. But this was no half-hearted exercise – the kind that produces some dusty report and a handful of new electives. Instead, the school interviewed over 1,000 executives, recruiters, faculty, students, and alumni to benchmark themselves. While you might expect areas like bootstrapping, coding, and sustainable business to get heavy play, stakeholders actually sought reforms in far more fundamental areas: Leadership, communication, critical thinking, and (of course) teaching quant skills through more experiential learning.

Despite being a Top 15 MBA program with a reputation for academic rigor and research excellence, Johnson evaluated their program top-to-bottom. In the end, they acted on the feedback. In particular, the program threads leadership throughout the fall semester core. And it reinforces those lessons with a required hands-on leadership course in the second year too. Along with requiring data analytics, Johnson also offers eight immerson learning courses in the spring semester, giving students field work experience before their all-important summer internship. As a result, full-time MBAs are able to focus on electives for much of the spring semester and the second year. And such improvements don’t even include the Johnson Cornell Tech MBA. This separate one-year MBA program focuses on technology commercialization in New York City, where students study analytics, design thinking, and entrepreneurship before partnering with leading tech firms on projects.

Bottom line: Johnson practices what it preaches. It developed a curriculum that balanced students’ need for practical experience with employers’ need for employees with strong decision-making, technical, and soft skills. In other words, Johnson graduates enjoy academic and hands-on training in areas where employers want in a high ceiling hire. And this approach really appealed to Mitch Brummer, who joined Johnson’s Class of 2017 after his rise to senior consultant at Deloitte. “The commitment of the Johnson faculty and staff to continuously analyze and improve the curriculum was very important to me,” Brummer writes. “Johnson recently made a significant update to the core curriculum — based on many factors including student and alumni feedback — which gave me faith that the school was really looking out for the best interests of its students.”

INTERNATIONAL STUDENT POPULATION GROWS AS GMATs REMAIN STEADY

Amanda Soule Shaw

Amanda Soule Shaw

Adrian Carabias is a first-year who was most recently the manager of the Mexico-USA Entrepreneurship and Innovation Council for Mexico’s Ministry of Economy. He observes that “the business concepts you will learn in your MBA will be fairly similar among most reputable MBA programs; what really makes a difference is the type of people you study with and the environment you live in during the two years of your MBA.” By that measure, both the Class of 2017 and Johnson itself pass with flying colors. Comprised of 274 students – down 10 students from the previous year – the Class of 2017 includes decorated bankers, consultants, engineers, news producers, and fund-raisers (not to mention a Naval Surface Fires Officer – think cruise missiles – who has advised two commanders in the I Marine Expeditionary Force).

Not content with resting on their laurels, the incoming class has hit the ground running since arriving on campus says Amanda Soule Shaw, the assistant dean for student services. “The Class of 2017 has really embraced its place in the Johnson community in just a short few weeks. Even in the midst of our rigorous fall “core” and preparing for the job search, they have sought out opportunities to start new student organizations, become active members of existing groups, and explore all that Cornell University has to offer. Returning second-year students continue to remark on the Class of 2017’s enthusiasm and positive attitude about Johnson and what lies ahead – this class is a great addition to our community.”

Academically, the 2017 class brings a 700 median GMAT to the table, the same score as the previous two classes. The school’s median undergraduate GPA – 3.37 – exceeds the previous two classes, which came in a 3.34 and 3.3, respectively. In a year when the percentage of women jumped at programs like Kellogg and Wharton, Johnson’s incoming class only includes 26% women, down two points from the 2016 class. However, at 35%, the percentage of international students eclipses the 2016 and 2015 classes, which each enrolled fewer than 30% international students. Following a trend, the percentage of American minorities fell for the second consecutive year to 26%, with underrepresented minorities accounting for 10% of the class. Overall, the class is represented by 28 countries and averages five years of work experience. 7% of the class also arrives from the U.S. military, up two points from the most recent graduating class.

Go to next page to access student profiles of this year’s incoming class.

  • MBA’15

    Hello International-MBA-aspirant,

    To answer your question: some people see one years as different and at best other people see them as less different. Your cohort for the class will be the other MBA 1 years. After you begin in the summer you will be in electives with everyone else but many people seem to stick with their class year/time of year cohort, although not exclusively and you can be active and meet more people.

    Like Zach said, he knew almost every face in our year and I would agree to that, as well. However, usually when people talk about our year we think in the two year class that graduated in ’15. When I get a LinkedIn invite from a ’15 I don’t know; I wonder were they really at Johnson? And more often than not they were a 1 year.

    I still hang out with a one year here in Chicago and lived with one in my second year. It’s really what you make of it.

    I hope that helps. It’s still a great experience and you will have a very close knit group to befriend and work with.

  • Zach

    Would you prefer the kinds of photos they have in college brochures, where overwhelmingly white schools place 1 Hispanic kid, 1 Asian kid, 1 Black kid and 1 White kid all together hanging out on the steps of an old college hall? Is creating a fake impression of diversity something you’re really interested in? Cornell is as diverse as any similar school, no more and no less. Judging how diverse the school is based on a marketing exercise that showcases 16 of 275 students is pretty shortsighted.

  • Mero

    The core courses are completely different because they are in summer, less content and much easier, they are customized for executive-alike format. electives are similar to the two year, although the priority will be given to the two year students in certain courses in Finance. I think there is considerable difference in quality between the two programs. Two year is much better.

  • International-MBA-aspirant

    Thank you very much for your response. How is the one year MBA perceived by the Cornell Johnson community? is it considered on par with the two year in terms of quality education, faculty, and courses contents? do they study different courses designed specifically for them, or it is the same courses with different timing? thank you again..

  • Mero

    It is known that The Cornell One Year MBA is the most expensive one year MBA in the world!

  • MBA’15

    Sure, I’m happy to try to help.

    The Cornell club in NYC is excellent and a good place to network or work in the biz center in between interviews in Midtown. Also, the network is great! Cornell/Johnson alumni will usually respond to you reaching out for a reasonable request.

    I don’t know a lot about financial aid for international students and don’t want to give you bad information there, sorry.

    The one year program is the same but very differnt. The recruiting timeline is different. Not the same employers necessarily want a one year as a two year. (Think if you aleady have an advanced degree or 10 years of work experience someone may be hesitant to hire you for an associate consulting role.) You are comparing apples to oranges with one year and two year program rankings. Look up Poets and Quants one year rankings and Kellogg is one and Cornell is two. They are practically the same program; you are basically choosing the market that is easier for you to recruit in- Chi or NY. I don’t see that much difference in rank or prestige from either place. If you want to do banking you must do the two year. Only do the one year if you have a pretty good idea of what you want to do and are willing to hustle hard recruiting, there is no internship. I imagine it’s more difficult to land a job at any one year compared to most two year programs. It’s a very compressed timeline and you will be choosing between studying, extracurriculars, and finding a job.

    Again if you want to play the ranking game you will be in Chi for NU and will be the second best bschool in town.

    I have no idea why the price is different but know that they will fill the class whether you think the additional 6K is worth it.

  • International-MBA-aspirant

    Thank you for your information. Could you please elaborate more on the available financial aids (practically not the one written in the website) for international students, giving that cornell is one of the most expensive (if the not the most expensive giving its location and rank) among the top 20 schools? What is the justification for the Cornell one year MBA in Ithaca being more expensive than the Kellogg 1Y? despite the huge difference in rank and prestige? Also, how is/was the placement for international students? Do you guys take advantage of the Cornell Club in NYC? is it useful tool for networking? Thank you.

  • MBA’15

    Hello prospective students. I want to first mention
    rankings; there are students that sweat every tiny ranking jump up or down and
    those that do not. At 9 or 16 we are still top 20 and not M7. We are also
    comparatively a top 20 university by most measures. I’ll be concerned for the
    school if we slip out of the top 20 for more than a year or two. What would it
    mean if we became M7? Would we be that much more attractive to employers? If we
    broke M7 would we not always be concerned with being 5, 3, 1?

    From a recruiting perspective there is still very good placement at Johnson. There is also a bit of luck wherever you are at. There are students at Harvard or Wharton that want McKinsey and don’t get it and students at Yale or Cornell that do. Just because you got into school x of your dreams does not mean you’ve made it; that is just the beginning. Sorry to say, but you are taking a risk here and there are no guaranteed outcomes no matter where you go.

    I get that the scholarships and Parks can seem unfair, but
    Zach is right, these can be recruiting tools for some of the better students at
    Johnson. Yes there are others that are not stellar but the process is still
    highly subjective. (Not to mention that Mr. Park probably laid out specifics in a trust
    about who the scholarships can go to, sorry international students. Also, in my class the Parks weren’t all white or Northeaster.) I don’t think that because you had high-test score x and high GPA y automatically means you deserve a scholarship. I’m not even sure that high GPA and GMAT is predictive of your success in the business world. It may predict your academic success at business school, but that doesn’t necessarily make you a good hire. This is a management program, not a path to academia.

  • Whyaskwhy

    Cornell gets to show case 16 top students and the school decides to pick (almost) all white students??? No black students??? No Indian students??? I’m not sure what’s worse – the fact that this group is not diverse at all OR that the school willingly decided to showcase an (almost) all white cast of characters….I’m sure they all got full rides too! Shame!

  • CornellHopeful

    LOL! So snooty IMO. I am looking and I happen to have no problem making the investment in a school like Cornell and by the way so have decades of other students at Cornell and all top 15 to 20 schools and I have no doubt that this will certainly continue. Great for anyone if they are admitted to an even higher ranked and better career prospect generating school, but many great students will not, and a school like Cornell can and does create tremendous opportunity and value. This thread is a horror!
    Cheers!

  • BigRedMachine

    The devil is in the detail. Does GS’s private wealth group or operations team have a lot of respect for Johnson? YES. Does GS’s investment banking group have a ton of respect for Johnson? No. Simply pointing to firms that students end up without consideration to what group or what office (a big deal in consulting) makes no sense. Landing in McK Pittsburgh and McK NYC from Johnson is a very different story. Same with the banks, there’s a reason Citi’s sell side research group in Buffalo takes Johnson students…..

  • GlobalMBA

    Very good point, the cost. I think Cornell should consider discounting of the MBA program. It is very very expensive for a school that ranked outside top 10.

  • BigRedMachine

    It depends how you define “good.”Cornell IS ABSOLUTELY a solid 15 to 20 program. The discussion comes into play regarding how “good” of a program Cornell really is. The school is probably going to stay in this 15 – 20 range going forward, with short lived random moves up, but it’s long term rankings is 15 – 20. If you factor in the cost of taking 2 yrs off work and spending $100K+ tuition money on a full time program, to many going to a 15 – 20 full time program just isn’t worth it…..especially since the quality difference between a top 10 program and a top 15 – 20 program is massive.

  • CornellHopeful

    Cornell Johnson is an outstanding management school. What do you mean what happened to them? Since the 80’s they have always and consistently been a top 15-20 school with excellent recruiting. Occasionally they have even risen into the top 10. It is an outstanding choice and I would love to be admitted. This thread appears to have been hijacked by several either past rejected applicants or perhaps just simply creeps who have nothing better to do. Many people would do backflips to attend Cornell – I for one!

  • Bob

    I think the things that you’ve mentioned can be applicable to any schools outside of top 10-12 and I’m not sure if Johnson is as bad as ppl on this thread make it sound like. I’m still few years away from applying to MBA schools, but looking at few pre-MBA programs at M/B/B, Big 4 consulting, GS, Citi and other big name companies it looks like all of them have much respect for Johnson and it deserves a little more respect than it is getting here.

  • BigOneForHer

    It is good management school, no doubt. The debate is on how good is it-:)

  • HESS

    seriously, how old are you?

  • KURMA

    They saaid they won’t change anything since the issues are around for long time.

  • KERMA

    You won’t make any bad decision choosing any of them, however and based on many factors, it seems that Michigan, then Cornell, then Darden is the best order.

  • u200JKL

    come on guys this is really very sad. I thought Cornell was good management school and highly regarded. What happened to them?! I am really surprised and shocked.

  • BERNAB

    Thanks for clarifying things before i go applying to Cornell. You just showed what most people were talking about..

  • Bob

    I think I like Big 4s, Accenture, BB consulting & F500s. I’ll definitely try for MBB, but don’t want to set myself up for a disappointment in case MBB don’t work out. Also, Big 4s tend to have a little better work life balance than MBBs. That being said, I’ll still go for MBBs since they’re in the Boston area, have better exit opportunities, and post-MBA I’m looking to end up in that area.

    I would’ve chosen Duke/ Darden over Cornell, but those are southern schools and given that outside of H/S/W/Booth MBA schools become more regional, I may have to hustle much harder to get a job in the Boston area post graduation.

  • Zach

    For an “HBS student” you don’t seem to have a good handle on basic math. Here’s how it breaks down: everyone who wants consulting has MBB as their top choice (sure there’s an exception here and there, but this is the rule). Therefore the number of people who want MBB is the number who want consulting. The % who get MBB against the % who want it is therefore %MBB/% who want consulting. If % who get MBB at Johnson is the same as Ross, Yale, Darden, Stern, etc (which it basically is +/- 1 % of the class), your contention only holds true if % who want consulting is much higher at Johnson than those other schools. Given that Johnson routinely places a much higher % of the class in finance roles than in consulting, it’s probably the case that FEWER people go for MBB at Johnson than those other schools (with the exception of Stern). You should just change your name from “HBS” to “troll”.

  • HBS

    The percentage of students getting a job in a particular field is so so so misleading. The real way to determine how Cornell is doing is to find out the % of students who wanted to work for MBB vs the % of students that got a job there. I bet Cornell will be out of Top 15 on that one.

  • Zach

    Cornell actually places the same % of class into MBB as Ross (5-6%). You can look up Ross’ overall numbers to each firm and for Cornell it’s been 14 total the past 2 years (~5% of the class). Deloitte recruits on campus at Cornell every year and we send 8-14 there each year. Overall, Ross is a stronger school for consulting but Cornell places plenty into all the firms you mentioned.

  • Al

    If you are trying to do MBB consulting, even Deloitte it might be hard to land job coming from Cornell, CMU or BU.

    Kellogg places extremely well to those firms. Ross too but to a slightly less extent.

  • Al

    How do you have offers already?

  • MBB

    Also the Indian nationals have landed great roles leaving Cornell. Just talk with any student or grad.

  • Bob

    I still have few years to apply to MBA programs but given my desire to end up in the Boston area I’m looking at MIT, Tuck, Yale, Cornell, CMU, and BU. Interested in consulting post-mba, corporate finance (business development/ strategy) as backup. Should I expand my list of schools to include Ross, Kellogg?

  • MBB

    I have lots of work so I will be brief. Academically, these are all great programs. And despite the criticisms of Johnson, there are issues at all top MBA programs. Us Cornellians are passionate about our school and I believe this MBA program can be so much better regardless of whether or not Johnson is ranked 5, 15, or 25 (I believe the ranking changes serve ad sales first and secondarily its readership so I put three cents into annual ranking changes). But the school needs to act upon its weaknesses with the same focus, energy, drive, accountability, action, professionalism, and elite results that Drew showed in his post and in his role (the bankers have done great leaving Johnson).

  • Mustafa

    Go to Michigan – solid top 10 program, students love it, great alums and strong brand. Darden is also great, but as mentioned, it has less int’l rep. Going to Cornell just for the University reputation is a very big mistake. There’s a huge difference between a top 10 and a top 20 MBA program. Anecdotally, students at UMich seem to be much happier, your experience there will be better, especially as an international student…

    As for the ‘feel’ approach to attending a school, you’re not at the school – you have limited ‘feel’ as to the better program.

  • Ferdinand

    Washington avg GMAT is higher than Duke, does that make it better?! absolutely NO.

  • Warren

    I’d go for Michigan, wider alumni base, strong brand, and solid top 10 in many rankings. Darden is an excellent but lacks the brand outside US, cornell as you mentioned has some issues.

  • Drew Pascarella

    It’s my pleasure!
    I’m not sure there is one single reason why our IB numbers jumped so dramatically. We have a great ecosystem built here, with many shareholders doing their part. In addition, M&A and capital raising volumes are at/near record highs, particularly in the US. Great program + strong market = growth?
    In terms of where are students go: I’m not a recruiter, and i’m not sure what we can share in a public forum such as P&Q (i just don’t know if the banks are sensitive to having this data posted – I am a career investment banker who traffics in MNPI 24/7, so i tend to be sensitive when it comes to data that’s not my own). I can tell you that the banks don’t have quotas at schools, though there does tend to be some consistency in hiring #s from banks yoy (I was the team captain for Johnson recruiting for ~8 years while i was a banker at Citi, and also served on the MIT & Wharton teams, so i have a sense for how banks think about numbers). We send bankers to all 9 of the bulges, top boutiques such as Evercore, Moelis, HL, etc, regional firms such as Baird, Piper, STRH,etc. As you’d expect, we have great relationships with all of the top firms. We work very hard to strengthen those relationships as well as build new ones. Most importantly, we make them extremely happy by sending top product to them each year. Nothing strengthens a relationship with a recruiter more than consistently sending them out-performers!!

  • Trampoline

    I would select the school where you feel the most passion to attend because that is likely where you will perform your best. All of the schools you mention are excellent and peers IMO and you could not make a poor choice among them. But by all means, do not pass on Cornell if that is what you were leaning because of posts on this thread. Cornell is an outstanding brand and top 20 b-school and has been for a very long time. Again, so are the other schools you mention.

  • Dave1988

    What would you choose if you are an international (indian) and have offers from” Michigan, Cornell, and Darden, I was thinking seriously about Cornell for brand and prestige, but feel some of hesitation after this debate. I’ll be back to INDIA, no scholarship offered.

  • MBA-Watch

    GMAT range isn’t an excuse. Harvard ranges from 500 to 790, Wharton from 500s to 780 or so, a lot of M7 schools ranges start from 500. The GMAT average of Duke is around 690 or so, yet they managed to be the solid top 10 or top 8 in many views. Yale’s “weird” focus on GMAT didn’t help them at all. I deeply and sincerely hope that Cornell does not fall into this trap, otherwise it will dramatically suffer.

  • Dyson

    I went to Cornell for undergrad and have a soft spot in my heart for all things Big Red. What stands out is the GMAT range, 550 to 760 is a very very very wide gap. The Johnson students I interacted with in Ithaca were great, but I can only imagine the students at the lower end of the GMAT range. 550? Really? That’s even below Washington.

  • Maria

    obviously, cornell MBA has an issue, better to address it now than later, particularly the controversial scholarships distribution. It is sad that a prominent school such as Cornell experience this hassle.

  • Johnson IB

    Thank you for responding in detail to my question Drew!

    The numbers that you mentioned are truly impressive (45 out of 48 got IB internships in latest batch!). 90% success rate is similar/above that of M7 schools.

    Is there a reason for such a drastic jump in numbers; from 27 in class of 2014 to 45 in class of 2016?

    Also, I was wondering if you could provide a rough breakdown in terms of how many interns each bank took in spring of 2015 (class of 2016)? For example, I hear Citi hires 4 and BAML hires 3 from Johnson each year. I was wondering if you could similarly elaborate on the rough hiring numbers for other banks.

    Thanks.

  • JohnsonLiker

    Agree to disagree then. I am looking at Cornell Johnson NOW and I know that the value of the diploma is both NOW and in its future value. IMO Johnson has a very bright future and is already a top 15 to 20 school today. I believe it has the potential to be a +/- top 10 program. If you and others are not interested in Johnson than why are you wasting so much time trolling and bashing? Is that not what College Confidential is for? Maybe there is a better website for this slop…
    Cheers!

  • Drew Pascarella

    Thanks very much for your note. Given the nature of the IB recruiting process, unless you were an analyst in IB, I don’t think the 1 year program is a good match for students interested in pursuing an IB career out of an MBA program. Full-time IB recruiting revolves around the summer process; full-time slots are filled by those who spent the summer at the firm (and, to a lesser extent, by those in summer associate programs at other banks). A 1 yr student would be competing for a full-time IB position with second-year students who have had a 1 year head-start on career prep, and likely a summer on the street. This isn’t a Johnson-specific issue as much as it is a rigid dynamic of the IB industry. As such, if you have your heart set on IB, I would strongly recommend the 2 year program. I hope this helps. Drew

  • Zach

    You’re either trolling or you don’t understand how applications work. Let me explain it to you: for people who have 730 GMATs, worked at MBB and went to HSW undergrad, you’re right, it is a backup. However, that’s a small percentage of applicants. For every applicant, there are reach, match and safety schools. Where each school falls depends entirely on the applicant. I hope you’re trolling but given your name you probably just haven’t been through any application process yet.

  • M7orBust

    Ppl also go to Wharton because of the program. Johnson strikes me as an insurance / backup school.

  • You Probably Went to ASU

    Get off your high horse with all these comments. You haven’t even applied to B School yet; at least get in before you act elitist. Or maybe you’re not even an applicants but are such a waste of space that you feel validated by trolling a forum for MBA applicants. Either way, not a good look.

  • HWBSC

    The truly shocking thing in these comments is the back and forth from the Cornell students and alumni. I’ve never seen that before and that alone would keep me from going to Cornell.

  • bwanamia

    Yet another ad hominem argument from a “top talent international”.

  • Zach

    To illustrate how silly your point is:
    Only 2 reasons someone attends Wharton:
    1) You get a lot of money
    2) You can’t get into HBS or Stanford

  • UrPathetic

    pathetic .. get a life..

  • bwanamia

    As in, you don’t have argument.

  • TexasHoldem

    It’s big issue at Johnson, the school gives ~25 students full rides – many who don’t deserve them and most are white American Northeastern types. It’s upsetting as a student to sit next to a Park who struggles w/ basic core classes as you pay full fair. Non-Parks are automatically treated as 2nd class students among: professors, alums, recruiters, etc…. I’ve even heard there are Park specific alumni events post graduation. It would be one thing if Parks lifted up the school, but on average they are just average if not worse than non-Parks.

  • RealityHBS

    That was before, nowadays folks at HBS are 24 or less avg age, you would expect anything from them.

  • Kumar

    gosh, I hear you laughing. You are so adorable.

  • UrMoron

    Bro, you and I don’t need to know what we mean..just keep it this way. Your posts always amuse me, it reminds me of how powerful and accurate is the Darwin evolution theory…

  • HERALD

    sorry, but he talks about Cornell MBA NOW not after 10 years! He talks about facts and current situation NOT potentials and wishes. Sorry my friend to say, the creepy is Cornell Johnson and its likers.

  • JohnsonLiker

    What a creepy and arrogant remark to put forth to such a highly regarded and globally recognized university as Cornell. Johnson is underperforming to be sure, but I think Cornell represents a terrific potential value-add opportunity. Johnson may turn out to be be a great bet over the next 10 years for anyone with vision. I am interested for one…

  • bwanamia

    “top talent internationals” Laughing out loud.

  • bwanamia

    You mean because I believe racial preferences in the US should be reserved for Americans, specifically, descendants of US slaves? How hard is that for you to understand?

  • UrIdiot

    oh dear… you remind me of old good times… how old are you?

  • M7orBust

    Thanks, but I’m going to target a top 10 program…..

  • M7orBust

    Only 2 reasons to attend Johnson:
    1) You get a lot of money
    2) You can’t get into a top 10 program.

  • Baffled

    As a general rule, I don’t talk about the mental horsepower of any group or individual on this site, but I’ll break that rule now: if you actually believe this kid is in any way affiliated with HBS, you are an idiot

  • Zach

    I’m class of 2015. Our placement was as good or better than any previous class. If you’re not a Johnson student I’m not sure how you would have any idea what our placement was.

  • Zach

    The dean of the school is Indian…you really believe this?

  • bwanamia

    As long as the blacks are African-Americans, i.e., descendants of ante-bellum US slaves, rather than Kenyan-Americans, Caribbean-Americans or the like.

  • MBA-Watch

    Hello Mr John Byrne,

    I have a question, Why top schools are late in releasing the employment report this year? It is an unusual to reach November without the same year employment statistics for the recent class?!

  • Mero

    “Have you heard…?” , No, I did not. Do you know that there is less than 5% chance that you are really a HBS affiliated person. For me it is 95% that you are a cornell reject (mostly with interview)?, to be honest, I am now optimistic about their admission process, since they are able to filter out people like you. Anyway, I’ll repeat again, please don’t behave this way, focus on why they rejected you, try to get some feedback, and work on addressing your weaknesses, particularly the way you interact with others, the soft skills, communication skills, for me it seems that you are smart person but somehow have immature attitude with lost vision. It is OK, most teens experience this, don’t stop there, control your responses, an MBA is just little thing in your big endeavor to be successful in life, two to three years down the road, its effect is almost negligible on you life, so try not to stuck with your current failure. Now, get out your place, go for coffee, go outside, and think what you want from life.

  • s-gupta

    Thank you Drew for such informative post. is the immersion program only for two year MBA? are one year candidates allowed to enroll, do they get the similar opportunity?

  • Yaniv

    Placement for class of 2015 does not look bright. Wait to see the bad results on the employment report. Cornell Johnson is in decline.

  • Gonzalez

    For long time, Johnson is known as anti-black and anti colored people. Racism there is more obvious than other places.

  • george

    and both white. Thats would be better.

  • BRJohnson

    Ithaca is Gorges!

  • IthacaIsGorges

    (“HBS”… you represent your whole school? megalomaniac a bit, aren’t we?)
    Long term, no matter what school you attend, with your personality you won’t get far. We maybe ranked lower, but together we go places. You? I just pray for your classmates…you are the weakest link.

  • HBS

    Have fun in Ithaca

  • HBS

    Why hide the obvious to prospective students? MBA is a major investment, don’t lie that the school will provide as much as top mba programs.

  • HBS

    Wow I love Cornell now. Do you know if I can transfer there from HBS?

  • HBS

    Do you want me to say that Cornell is the best business school in the world? Come on, be realistic. Maybe douche bags go to Harvard, but smart Cornell students surely couldn’t get it there.

  • HBS

    Have you heard about the 274:0 theory? 274 Cornell MBAs would choose to study at HBS over Cornell, while 0 HBS students would pick Cornell. Nice try with the essay though, maybe if you would put as much effort in your mba applications, you would not have been a Cornell student. Irony.

  • Spartan 22

    Why’s the Park fellowship so bad? I can’t imagine any school really knows whether a scholarship recipient will be a superstar or just another student. Why’s it an issue at Cornell?

  • bwanamia

    I would limit Park eligibility to children of parents who are both US citizens. Just a small tweak.

  • Johnson whitewashed

    As a black person, looking at all of the faces tells me all that I need to know about Johnson. Seriously, no one thought to have a little more racial diversity? Terrible, just terrible Johnson!!

  • Current student

    I’d call it a fluke

    Johnson has one of the largest consortium and mlt classes out of any top b school, and black leaders hold many of the most prominent positions on campus (president of the finance club, chair of the student council, park fellows, etc)

  • HatersGonnaHate

    Current student at the school and I’m happy to field your question.

    Last year there were key departures on the admissions team during the admissions cycle, which was a root cause of decrease in applications. Those positions have been filled with some great additions to the Johnson team.

    There was also some shuffling in the career management center around the same time last year which left some in class of 2015 dissatisfied with their experience. Again, they’ve been backfilled and I’ve had some great conversations with the new staff.

    I’m obviously biased towards a positive review because I’ve had a good experience and I enjoy the community here. I’ve had many career opportunities open for me during my time here, and no kidding, companies that wouldn’t speak to me prior to business school have cold called me to schedule an interview because they found my resume through the Johnson career management center.

    Hope this answers your questions, and if you’re interested in Johnson, now is the time to apply.

  • HBS_NEVER

    Fellow Johnson (and possibly my classmate), I would have loved to give a more positive response but the comment and the commentator did not deserve any of that based on the viciousness and ignorance of the comment. But I agree to your point. It is just that when it comes to Johnson, i would prefer defending my school as many prospective students look at this thread. Anyways, with leanings from Principled Leadership course in mind I will try to ignore this ignorant soul.

  • Remo

    as a university, cornell is much better than northwestern.

  • Zach

    I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree on some points. I didn’t see a “scattered small program” while I was there. In fact one of the biggest strengths was the intimacy of the program. Also, most of the people I know were happy with where they ended up. It was a small (albeit vocal) minority who were unhappy, and to be honest they were generally from the lower performers in the class. There were maybe ~10 people in my class who I didn’t know well enough to say hi to. I’m also not sold on Johnson being a solid top 10 program. While I would love that to be the case, it’s VERY hard to displace schools and rankings move glacially. Who would fall out of the top 10? Anyone in the M7? Tuck? Maybe could argue for Haas, and no 10 is a merry go round. As a university, all of the M7 are stronger than Cornell. Haas has a unique west coast value prop and Tuck has longstanding, deep relationships with recruiters and alumni that are very hard to replicate. Yes, the school could pull a Yale and focus solely on GMAT, but I don’t think anyone at Cornell really wants that.

  • Kumar

    sorry this comment is for the above post.

  • Kumar

    such discrimination creates bad image among top talent internationals, Cornell administration should change that or offer similar thing to internationals, the discrimination in scholarships and help is huge drawbacks for the school. Even, among US citizens, most of Park fellows are white, northeastern, very few if any black people get the prize! Do they really realize the jeopardizing perception prospective applicants get about johnson school and its culture!?

  • Kumar

    such discrimination creates bad image among top talent internationals, Cornell administration should change that or offer similar thing to internationals, the discrimination in scholarships and help is huge drawbacks for the school. Even, among US citizens, most of Park fellows are white, northeastern, very few if any black people get the prize! Do they really realize the jeopardizing perception prospective applicants get about johnson school and its culture?

  • TexasHoldem

    1) There’s a big difference btwn having a formal group (the Parks) get a full ride VS giving money to get ALL top students (in’tl and domestic). Having this different arrogant group standout only serves to divide what is already a scattered small program filled with unhappy students that can easily point to peers with full rides that can’t pass finance 101.
    2) Johnson students are up against schools w/ CMCs that work, a big disadvantage for the program. This is the problem.
    3) Canada/China/Cornell TECH – why not fix Ithaca first???
    4) Favoritism matters as it shapes the b-school experience.
    5) CMC was fired, but nothing’s changed.
    6) Fair enough, but I’m sure students in your undergrad program were much happier…There is a lot of disappointment at Johnson among the students. And,why give to a school just so it can set up a campus on Mars?
    7) Johnson should be a solid top 10 program, not a weak top 20 program. Compare Johnson to the top MBA programs, not UofPhoenix.

  • Lower East Side

    Zach are you really comparing HBS’s vast resources to Cornell?? Not a fair comparison.

  • North Beach

    Mr. Park may have wanted only US students to be eligible for the fellowship. There are very talented Parks and then there are others who after graduation still think they should walk on water.

  • GlobalMBA

    in Darden, the school-affiliated jobs offered percentage is more than 88%, thats tell you the quality of the career office.

  • MBA-Watch

    – business school established in 1946, long long long before Duke and Yale, and before Virginia.
    – an Ivy league institution (don’t underestimate this factor, it is a soft one but deal breaker in most times)
    – more than 46 noble, tens of rhodes scholars, golden university brand, excellent in science and technology
    – east coast location
    – world class professors, and resources
    – world class other schools
    ALL those input points guarantee creating a solid top 10 program. While breaking into top 7 is very hard (unless they got >700m endowment) , top 10 is achievable if they had a better leadership and vision
    It is really sad that cornell stays between 15 to 20 ranks, this is a complete failure for this unique university.
    – what the hell are they thinking of when granting the full ride scholarship for ONLY US citizens, how can they secure the top talent international students?
    – Cornell is one of very very few top US schools that offer ONE year MBA, which is very attractive to career focused, older, and international students, however they didn’t market it they it deserves to attract students.
    -also, alumni support worldwide is not what it should be compared with the other top schools,
    – all the fear is that administration there get stupider and in trying to improve ranks, they focus on numbers, higher GMAT, higher GPA, reduce class size to be more selective, etc etc.. (in other words mimicking Yale) and therefore producing another weird robots-alike grads. They should try doing something similar to what Duke is doing.

  • Zach

    FYI, I graduated in the last 2 years so I have recent experience with the school. To your points:
    1. So the way to attract better students to Johnson is to get rid of the only full ride scholarship program we have? You do know that scholarships are the most important recruiting tool for bschools, right? Yes, the selection process for the Park program is very flawed, but we shouldn’t give up 25 full ride scholarships that can be used to attract top students.
    2. Honestly if you have to lean on the CMC to get your job it basically means you’re not capable enough on your own. The CMC’s job is to get companies to campus. Your job is to get those companies to hire you. You’re an adult with previous work experience, you shouldn’t need CMC to hold your hand throughout recruiting. I’m unwilling to pass sweeping judgement because the work they do to bring companies on campus happens entirely behind the scenes.
    3. Fair point on Canada/China.
    4. You really care about who wins the year-end awards?? Favoritism only matters for recruiting. I’ve really never seen any of that at Johnson.
    5. Did you miss that half the CMC got fired? They were fired mostly due to the student feedback.
    6. Um, as I said, EVERY school does this. My undergrad asked me for money from day 1 of senior year (I went to another Ivy, this isn’t abnormal). Senior fundraising drives (class campaigns) are the norm, not the exception.
    7. Johnson isn’t a successful grad school? You make it sound like we’re talking about U of Phoenix instead of a top 15 bschool. I’m not sure what you expect. Cornell as a whole routinely finishes in the 14-16 range in the US News rankings. Johnson routinely finishes in the 14-16 range in most rankings. Why should the bschool be so much better? The law school is also T14, not top 5. The med school is also in the same range. Hotel and ILR are unique offerings that Cornell has a historic advantage in.

  • Cornellian

    The sad part about all this is that Johnson has tremendous strengths, could easily be a consistent top 10 school, but does not take advantage of it. Overall solid professors, amazing Cornell resources, etc.

  • MBB

    2) The CMC should allocate resources relatively efficiently, but some students I spoke with received little to no support during their two years. That being said, it is necessarily a good thing for many students to end up at the same employers year-in and year-out? How about promoting MBAs to thrive around the country and more importantly around the world in different fields? Not all MBAs should focus efforts to work at Amazon or Citi or even the MBBs.

    3) Profitability is important. If the non-Ithaca initiatives are bringing in money and resources to the core MBA program above and beyond the opportunity cost, terrific.
    4) Not sure when you graduated but this is a thread that was rumoured about one specific core class and a professor who I believe has now left.
    7) It is healthy to consider rationale of the strengths of other programmes within a particular university. The same rationale could be said for one GE group looking for best practices from another GE group, basing on the competitive advantages given by the parent entity. I would rather not be myopic to suggest that what makes ILR a major success is completely irrelevant to Johnson.

  • TexasHoldem

    Current Johnson student here….

    1) The Park Program has got to GO. Giving full rides to students
    who often don’t deserve them on occasion end up in academic probation helps no one. The school’s created two tiers of students: one that gets a full ride and one that doesn’t.
    2) The CMC is a joke and should be based in NYC. Career mgt at
    Johnson is nothing more than glorified admins who can barely schedule corporate visits.
    3) So many Cornell MBA programs around the world, they are HUGELY
    DILUTIVE. HBS does not offer masters degrees strung across the globe, there’s a huge difference between executive education and earning the same MBA via a random school in Canada or China. Fix the home base before you expand for the sake of expanding.
    4) There is a TON of favoritism at Johnson. The admin gives awards
    to those it gets along w/ best, very apparent from my view.
    5) What surveys? Action? Just the same nonsense talk.
    6) Asking for money before many students even have jobs is a big no
    no.
    7) Cornell University – the school has successful grad schools
    despite their Ithaca location, Johnson shouldn’t keep using that as an excuse.

  • A prospect

    Nice Johnson….Are there no black students in this year’s class?

  • Zach

    As a former Johnson student, I’ll respond to your points:

    1. Agree with this. The Park fellows as a group were no stronger than the rest of the student body.
    2. There are definitely issues with the CMC, but I think you’re expecting too much. What’s a better use of limited resources: expanding relationships with the big MBA recruiters (consulting, IB, F500) or spending a lot of time getting 1 student into a company that may not hire again for 3 years? Resources are not unlimited and tradeoffs have to be made. I think this is a perfectly acceptable one.
    3. The programs around the world, while they do dilute the brand somewhat, are hugely profitable and help to fund the Ithaca program. Yes, there’s an argument that they’ve gone too far, but people always forget that schools have to bring in money. Would you criticize HBS for its endless array of online and executive offerings?
    4. I’m not really sure what you mean by favoritism. Sure there are some students who are closer to the administration or particular faculty members, but I never once saw a situation where people gained a meaningful advantage from this.
    5. They do survey us and they do act upon quite a bit of it. Notice the wholesale curriculum revamp and the turnover of half of the CMC in the past 2 years.
    6. Is this a joke? Every single school in the world asks their recent graduates for money.
    7. That’s like saying Tepper should be a top bschool because Carnegie Mellon has one of the best CS programs in the world. One has nothing to do with the other.

  • MBB

    How Johnson can improve:

    — End the obsession with bringing young aesthetically-pleasing Americans with limited to no business backgrounds to dominate the Park Fellowships (while the more talented American, Chinese, and Indian women receive less recognition despite clearly superior abilities…blame in part goes to the prior head of admissions for picking younger doppelgängers who are about as intelligent, genuine, and mature in personality as used-car salespeople)
    — Have a career management center that genuinely supports all students’ interests and is workaholic obsessive about their ability to secure a strong internship and job, regardless if they are a banker or want to work in a niche field
    — Develop a programme with top administrative leadership based on professional maturity and excellence in Ithaca, rather than far-out pursuits in Beijing and NYC (if the home brand is not strong, the other programmes naturally cannot make Ithaca elite)
    — End the political nature of this school and the sense of favoritism that permeates the culture (while numerous “fellows” programs pre-select individuals for “greatness”, this process was ironically countered as ineffective within one core Johnson curriculum class)
    — Survey all students at graduation and act upon it
    — Stop with asking recent graduates for money, after the ad nauseam requests in the last semester
    — Look at the other Cornell schools, which are actually elite and truly world-class, as examples of excellence. ILR, Hotel, Ag, — a whole other world.

  • M7orBust

    MBA applicant here! Any comments on why Cornell recently dropped in the business week ranking? What’s especially worrying is the low student ranking of the program (~35) and ~20% y/y drop in applications. Anyone care to comment on the cause of this? I can’t get a straight answer from the school.

  • bwanamia

    Check the M7 black student groups.

  • Michael87

    are they few to this level?!

  • bwanamia

    Any black person qualified for admission to Cornell will easily get money at one of the M7 schools.

  • Federac

    No single black in these faces! why?

  • Mero

    No worry sweetheart, I understand your pain, many get rejected, and they reapply again. Instead of behaving here like a kid, set back, evaluate all your application to see why you got rejected. and reapply in the second round. Never stop trying, and never limit your self into one school, life is full of opportunities. Being rejected by Cornell doesn’t mean you are a bad person, it means there were many competitive people out there, and you just could not stand out of crowd. It is ok to learn from mistakes.

  • Cayuga

    Current Johnson student to fellow current Johnson student: Please consider more productive responses or no response at all to the tremendously poor form and judgement shown here by our “HBS” friend. Never antagonize a bully. The bully is mired in self-doubt, and self-deception.

    @HBS, we would welcome the opportunity to give you greater perspective on the quality of our program and students. Those detailed here represent just a few of the bright minds at Johnson.

    Additionally, in the future I invite you to show the world the pride and humility that is representative of the Harvard MBAs that I know.

  • HBS_NEVER

    Current Johnson Student here. Many students from Johnson get an internship/FT in IB and that pattern has been consistent for some time now. In fact, for Class of 2015, ratio of IB/Total for Johnson was one of the highest, well above likes of Wharton, Colombia etc.

  • HBS_NEVER

    U are a moron and a good example of the exact reason that HBS is associated with this type casted spoilt brat persona that you clearly are. All douche-bags go to HBS. Humans willing to learn- welcome to Johnson.

  • KeepItFair

    Wow what a clever post! Not sure though that anyone will be too impressed with your more highly desirable school with this display of extreme genius…

  • mot

    Former Johnson here, that number is well below reality. Pretty much if you put the time in (travelling to NYC every weekend) and are fine with non-big banks, you’ll be fine, almost gaurenteed.

  • Johnson IB

    Can any current Johnson students help me with the following:

    What percent of Johnson students who wanted an IB internship got one?

    I heard for class of 2014 (3 years back) it was 20 out of 60 (33%).

    Thanks

  • HBS

    2 steps to get into Cornell MBA:

    1) Apply
    2) Get dinged by all the other schools.

    Congratulations, you are now a CORNELL MBA student