Well take FT ranking and you’ll see (I don’t even speak of non US but just take the US MBA in the FT ranking). As far as I am concerned I would prefer to enter Tuck, Yale, Berkeley or Duke rather than Kellogg (I don’t even mention Booth, MIT or Columbia) And I think I am not the only one !

Thank you very much for your thought. in a global scale, which one you consider more recognized?

Kellogg, Booth are trending downward. Yale and Haas are trending upward. MIT, Columbia and the rest are more or less static.
As long as it’s in Top 10, it does not matter at all/ in fact is funny to distinguish almost non-existent difference among the top 10. Every one of the schools got their own thing going and depending on applicants’ preference (such as East Coast based schools vs. West Coast based schools), the options are very limited to begin with (Harvard, Yale, Wharton, Columbia, Dartmouth, Stern ?)

Was my last message not clear about that ?? Vanderbilt !!! (I’d love to live in Nashville…)

There is no room for K or B and even W to move up but plenty of room to move down.

I myself have applied to HBS, Wharton and Yale, skipping Tuck due to its remoteness. I would never apply to K or B due to its lack of prestige and mid-westernness.

But I do know lots of people who applied to Booth and Stern and many did choose Stern over Booth.

I am not even sure which events you are referring to when you say “top recruiters only invite top 7 schools”. Top recruiters such as McKinsey or Bain recruit from top 10 and INSEAD and LBS etc. and even from Duke.

You sound like an army brat who has no sense of what the real world is like. Don’t tell me you go to either K or B.

You’ll really have an awesome time there. I am actually wait listed for Cornell but if I am not taken I will consider seriously to apply for Vanderbilt next year.

Why next year? the last deadline is ahead on may 15!

That is an awesome point. Also keep in mind that for example. UW sent more people to Amazon and Microsoft than HBS/Stanford/Wharton combined because of location. I know UW people who have the same job / title / pay and prob career prospect 9at least in Amzaon) as the Stanford HBS guy. Just a thought.

I would look at this for top bschool consulting placements rather:
http://www.caseinterviewhq.com/2012/01/28/consulting-mba/ 

The Pre-MBA program you cited was only open to those 8 schools for URM’s, meaning Blacks/Hispanics/Natives. And who knows what the motives were. Perhaps, internally Bain had an issue of not hiring enough URM’s.

This URM concept does not exist internationally so it automatically eliminates non-US programs such as INSEAD or LBS.

Plus, the link you supplied actually shows Duke’s or Ross’ or Haas’ outperformance (doing better than more prestigious schools like Tuck or Kellogg either across the board or in majority of sectors), which in fact does not help reinforce your argument.

Another faulty reasoning that you show is that you are assuming schools to supply all the data to Bloomberg. Some schools such as Harvard, Stanford, Yale and Stern, the ones you pointed out specifically, do not report how many get employed by who, hence complete omissions of the four. among the top 10.

Also, one last thing. I agree with the posters above. I have personally an ambitious goal of running a government agency in the later stages of my career, after my early career stage in the private sector, such as Management Consulting and Private Equity. I would not expect any schools better than Harvard, Stanford or Yale, hence applying to only these three.

Good luck applying to your 3 schools. HBS/Stanford is a tough school for anyone to get in but Yale should be doable. 

First off, HSY did not talk about top 15-20 schools. He is talking about schools like Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Stern etc. not supplying the data, hence the omissions in the link you provided. Nuff said.
And, the very data you supplied do not really support your claim as he said, because 1) in consulting, Tuck seems below Duke or others, 2) in finance, Tuck seems below Duke, Michigan or Darden, 3) in technology, Michigan, Haas, Darden seem above Duke, Kellogg, Tuck, Columbia and MIT, 4) in marketing, Kellogg and Michigan seem above Wharton, Chicago, Columbia, Tuck, Duke, Haas and Darden.So this shows the following:- That the rankings in your own world (M7 vs. other  3 in the top 10) are not so clear cut or black and white.- That each school has its own strengths and really among the top 10, there really isn’t any difference.

Lastly, I would add that in true general public’s opinion, including international audience, the only schools that matter are really Harvard, Stanford, MIT and Yale. The others truly people do not know much. Although if you want to include other ivy league schools, we can include Columbia, Dartmouth and University of Pennsylvania. I am not going to include Princeton, Brown or Cornell because the former two have no bschool and Cornell is truly a school that is on decline.

Nuff said. Thanks. End of story..

You said it right boy.. You acknowledge it as well by saying I need X or Y to upgrade my social status. Yes, I need Wharton, Kellogg, Booth, MIT, or CBS (M7) pedestal to excel in my desired field, PE/VC. My desired field don’t recruit much from schools outside of M7 + Tuck/Haas. Yes, you are also right that Yale’s new dean no longer participates in the formal annual M7 meetings. 

Most people who are in the elite MBA circle know the term “M7″. It is even in Wikipedia bro. You probably don’t know cuz your target school is Yale… 
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=73431  AND http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=73431. The term M7 is also mentioned in Wikipedia…

Sorry. To go to PE/VC,there is a post on gmatclub about it. HBS is a clear winner but otherwise, Wharton, Tuck, Stanford, NYU Stern, Chicago Booth, even Duke all will place you in PE/VC. 

MIT, Kelloggin fact will not place you well in PE/VC.Go to gmatclub.comand search for the post. It’s been debated.

From GI Joe to PE/VC?

Wow. I haven’t seen anyonedoing that sort of jump. Good luck.

You need IB or MC experience prior. Not GI Joe. 

I guess the best school to go to IB though is finance schoolslike Wharton, Stern, Booth and CBS. Or you can go to Tuck, HBS, Stanford, INSEAD and such to go to MC or IB.

Wow. You need much more than just luck to break into PE/VC from your previous work experience as an army brat.

Incorrect.
I am not sure what point you are trying to raise here but not all students at said top schools are looking to break into PE/VC after bschool. Your post seems to make a point that M7 schools are better at sending West Point grads to PE/VC roles but first of all, you need strong analytical skills to break into any financial sectors, especially PE/VC firms. With the current biased opinion you possess, anyone buying your product will be doomed even if somehow by connection, you luck out at getting a job! I wouldn’t hire you based on your analytics.

1) HBS is indeed #1 feeder to PE/VC. It has been that way for a long long period of time. Based on top 20 or so PE/VC firms’ senior management’s educational background, one can easily deduce that HBS grads clearly outnumber any other top bschool grads. Check it out yourself. After that, you will see some Stanford, some Wharton, some Tuck, some INSEAD, some NYU, some Duke, some Yale, some MIT, some without any MBA degrees!, etc.

2) Your quoted stats are a bit off: Wharton sent 7.65% (your round-up), HBS sent 14% (1% lower than your number because VC is already accounted for, due to their similarities to PE/LBO), INSEAD 4.8% (20% financial services then 24% PE/VC), Booth 4% or 5% depending on which category you look at (Hires by function or Hires by industry??), Haas sent 3.4% (http://www.haas.berkeley.edu/epublications/EmploymentReport10/pageflip.html)

From here, we can conclude that first of all, there are other, unfortunately for you, bschools in the top 10 or internationally-based, that do better than your darling M7 schools (NYU, Yale, Haas doing better than MIT, for example). Also, 1% or 2% or however small the number is, really is not a big deal.

3) You say you are aiming at PE/VC. PE/VC firms straight out of bschools rarely visit bschools. Majority of the hires are through the applicants’ grunt work/networking. I’d say, if you are from army, as your post above indicates, it is extremely difficult for you to get a PE/VC job straight from bschool because you just don’t have the right background (i.e. prior IB or MC or PE/VC experience and it’s not like you went to the right undergrad). What’s worse, you don’t seem to have the right analytical skills!

4) If you are looking to transition to IB from bschool, that is more likely. However, if really IB is your goal, then I’d say all finance-focused schools such as NYU Stern, Wharton, Booth, Columbia, Yale will do the job as well as HBS or Stanford. So what you posted about M7 is just not true. I will argue Stern will do much better in placing you in IB in the right location than Kellogg, Tuck, MIT and even Booth.

5) If you are truly PE/VC minded, have a look at the following URL instead of trolling on poetsandquants, picking fights with strangers and trying to prove your point about M7 because nobody gives much weight to M7. Top 10 or ivy league schools will matter much more globally and publicly. (obviously unless you go to schools like Kellogg, which is not an ivy but a solid top 10 school)
http://privateequityblogger.com/2010/08/best-private-equity-business-schools.html

Good luck on your job search/dream! It sure won’t be easy. Try to beef up your quant skills/avoid assumption bias/ or just learn how to BS better because your BS stinks! 

HBSkid, yeah HBS sends more to PE/VC by # but I was trying to make a point that Stanford sends more to PE/VC on a % basis. Since # of class vary from x to y schools, isn’t % as total the right way to go? duh and you dare to question my analytical skills? 

On your point 3, I question your reading comprehension… I clearly mentioned that I have BB IB + PE background and yet you mentioned that I don’t have the right experience? How do you deal with all those cases at HBS? 

You mentioned my analytical/quant skills but you barely know me. Have you scored 51 on the Quant section of GMAT two times in a row? Have you modeled LBOs over 70 times? Probably not. In fact, I already secured my job at a PE shop which interned over the summer. 

Lastly, you say that you are not the type to “look down” on people who go to schools in Chicago or NYC or whatever, but you were doing just that to me on this post. What a hypocrite…  

Your analytical skills are very questionable because your BS to prove to some other people the non-existent value of so called M7 schools over other top 10 schools stinks and your analytical skills are full of assumption errors. % or absolute numbers, whichever way you try to measure any school’s PE/VC placements is based on an assumption that all students are gunning for PE/VC jobs. If not, then there is no point of measuring the output only because we do not know the input. Logically, if there is less/more input, there will be less/more output. Without the knowledge of input, your argument becomes baseless. You are the one who deserves “DUH”.

You “clearly” did not mention that you had BB IB+PE background after your West Point education. In fact, it comes across as your wish. I have never personally come across any West Point grads, working at BB IB/PE firms straight from their undergrads. You mean, West Point -> Army/Navy/Air Force/Whatever -> Kellogg -> IB/PE, which is possible but not common.

Don’t worry about my cases at HBS because I already have my MBA from HBS with distinction.

If a guy like you, based on your demonstrated analytical skills here, scores 51 on GMAT twice in a row or models LBO’s over 70 times, with the latter bearing no proof of your analytical skills by the way other than the fact that you were a monkey, then I should urge bschools to stop admitting kids like you based on GMAT quant score because there is a huge loophole in the GMAT quant exam.

I look down on kids like you who look down on others, based on your superficialness, created somehow by attending some school in Chicago, which, relatively speaking, is not even that great either, depending on what people value more (perhaps some people value ivy league education, perhaps some people value NYC, perhaps some people have Harvard or bust mentality etc.).

HBSboy – I’m reminded of this quote, “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” Not sure the past beef btw Zxy and you, but your posts are condescending and immature. Is that what you were going for?

Wow I agree. It’s always the Chicago school students, either Booth or Kellogg students who always try to defend their schools and feel entitled/empowered by trashing other schools like Wharton, Harvard, Yale, MIT, Berkeley, NYU etc.

Hello, 
Congratulations on all your great offers.  I can not offer you my best advice, as I am aiming the application process in the fall, but as an MBA hopeful who is freaked out by debt- would you mind sharing your GMAT/GPA/Stats?  I don’t think you can make a bad decision in your situation, but I personally am drawn to Owen’s program based on reputation, location, and job placement.  

another performance for a Harvard MBA grad, see JP Morgan results here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304070304577396511420792008.html