B-Schools With The ‘Best Career Prospects’

by John A. Byrne on

For the best and brightest, the scholarship money is flowing like never before

Which business schools offer the “best career prospects” for their graduating MBAs?

If you were to simply scan three available numbers, you could come up with your own conclusions. Just look at starting salaries and bonuses, the percentage of the latest graduating class with job offers by graduation and the percentage with offers three months later. That pretty much tells you which schools are doing the best job at placing their MBA students into great jobs.

But there’s also another way to determine which schools offer the best career prospects. Every year, Princeton Review surveys MBA students at some 300 business schools and publishes a top ten list of the schools with the “best career prospects.” The Review ranks schools on the basis of students surveys and basic employment data provided by the schools.

As the authors of the Review’s annual guidebook put it, “This rating measures the confidence students have in their school’s ability to lead them to fruitful employment opportunities, as well as the school’s own record of having done so. Factors taken into consideration include statistics on the average starting salary and percent of students employed at graduation…and comments from the student survey, assessing the efforts of the placement office, the quality of recruiting companies, level of preparation, and opportunities for off-campus projects, internships, and mentorships.”

OUR ANALYSIS LOOKS AT THE PRINCETON REVIEW LISTS OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS

Those questions are among the 78 multiple-choice questions and seven “free-response” questions asked of current full-time students. Princeton Review says that at least 10% of full-time students responded “at almost all institutions we surveyed; at many schools, we scored responses from as many as one-third or one-half of the student body–and nearly all in a few cases.”

As we have pointed out in our rankings critiques, however, more often than not the differences among schools on student surveys is so slight as to be statistically meaningless. So in any given year, the results may not be worth the paper or bits they are printed on.

That’s why we’ve taken the results of the Princeton Review surveys over the past five years and combined them. The cumulative result is far more more credible than any one year which can be something of an anomaly. What did we find?

HARVARD TOPS THE LIST BUT STANFORD HAS BEEN RANKED FIRST IN THREE OF FIVE YEARS

Not surprisingly, Harvard Business School provides its graduates with the best career prospects. Harvard made Princeton Review’s top ten list in every one of the last five years. But Stanford comes in next and actually ranked first in three of those five years–in the 2012 guidebook, 2009 and 2008. If not for a sixth place finish in recession-plagued 2010 that seemed to hurt Stanford more than other top schools, the best school on the West Coast would have beaten Harvard.

Only two other schools made the list five out of five times: The University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School of Business and UC-Berkeley’s Haas School of Business. Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management does exceptionally well on the Princeton Review lists as well, though oddly not as well as it has done on BusinessWeek’s rankings which also grades schools on career placement (see ‘World’s Best MBA Career Management Centers’).

All told, there are 15 schools that made this list at least twice in the past five years–out of the nearly 300 at which students were surveyed. Two more–Europe’s IMD and Duke University’s Fuqua School of Business–popped up on the list once in the past five years.

(see table of the top 17 schools on the following page)

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  • Disappointed1

    You lose credibility when you spell index as ‘indez’. Time and again, such sloppy work — You’re always in a rush etc. It takes 5-10 mins to spell check and proof read, which is a basic in business. 

  • Martin

    Hmmm, so Columbia didn’t show up in top 15.

  • Dreamer

    Maybe due to how hard financial services were hit in the period used to calculate the index.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L7JM27A3THCKUXYTLNQRWEFAL4 business

    True it appears that NYU Stern is far better- no wonder its extremely rigorous GMAT requirements

  • cct

    I was wondering the same thing.

  • Martin

    That’s a good point as Columbia seems more finance-focused that Stern. I find it interesting that Stern is so secretive about its recruitment statistics by firm though.

    http://poetsandquants.com/2010/08/16/new-york-universitys-stern-school-vs-columbia-business-school/ 

  • Said Mohammad

    or maybe the students who went to Columbia, when answering the survey gave lower grades to their school. Says something about the school and the students as well.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L7JM27A3THCKUXYTLNQRWEFAL4 business
  • Martin

    I was purely going by the link I posted earlier – specifically the part quoted below. Going by Dreamer’s argument, if Columbia sent a bigger percentage of graduates into finance than Stern, you would expect to see their rankings come out worse in a period where the job market was weak for finance graduates.

    I wasn’t able to get data to suggest whether this claim was true or not. But the rankings could be based on other criteria besides which school is more of a “finance” school. Hope that clarifies things a little bit!

    “The financial meltdown of 2009 led to a disaster of an MBA recruiting season at Columbia’s Business School and NYU’s Stern School. Nearly four of every ten graduating students in Columbia’s Class of 2009 was without a job at commencement. Columbia was more severely impacted than any other top ten school because it traditionally feeds Wall Street and the big banks which were largely on life support at the time. In fact, for the first time in recent history, three consulting firms–McKinsey, Boston Consulting Group, and Bain–were at the top of the list of employers hiring Columbia MBAs rather than the financial services firms which tend to dominate. Though NYU also is heavily dependent on finance for jobs, it seemed to do a much better job of getting its graduates placed. The number of Stern MBAs employed at graduation were 11 percentage points higher than those at Columbia. Stern’s uptown rival closed the gap three months later, but still trailed NYU by more than three percentage points.”

  • Dreamer

    My point exactly. I still prefer Columbia over NYU. Though that is based solely on my own preferences (fit, culture etc) than any data point or employment data.

  • Well

    Where are INSEAD and LBS? Poetsandquants sometimes creates too many rankings…

  • Johnsdad

    Guys – relax, take these rankings with a grain of salt. Also, it’s ridiculous and embarassing how John rushes in posting articles (he spelled index incorrectly as ‘indez’), and then had the nerve to delete my comment. Basically, think about it this way — John and his staff/team are understaffed and rush in getting articles posted with errors and mistakes. This isn’t the first time. He DOES NOT have credibility. P&Q is a flush down. :)

  • Jbryans

     Better than CBS? Not likely.

  • Critical Thinker 2012

    Guys – take these rankings and articles with a grain of salt. John and his team at P&Q are pretty sloppy. Most of the time they rush to publish/print articles, and later there are inconsistencies in spelling, ranking etc. For example, “Index” was spelled as “Indez” John doesn’t have the highest level of credibility, and he should take this in a critical feedback and constructive criticism as opposed to deleting comments and attempting to fool the average readers and public about his mistakes and inconsistencies. Take ownership of your failures P&Q and John!

  • JohnAByrne

    Wow. Can you imagine? There was a slight typo in a table accompanying this article, a typo that was corrected within minutes of it being pointed out by a reader. What is your problem?

  • Critical Thinker 2012

    Your and P&Q’s sloppiness. Earlier, the city/location of Cambridge was incorrect. In this article, ‘Index’ spelled incorrectly. If you took your work seriously, and ran a simple spell-check such errors would not be apparent time and again. In Business, communication is important — you are in the business of communicating your research and findings with your audience. How can you expect your audience to have faith and confidence in your research and findings? Yes “Index” spelled as “Indez” is indeed a typo (and to you a small one), but bear in mind the lack of confidence this creates among your audience, and rightfully and legitimately so — what if there are ‘small typos’ or incorrect input in your spreadsheets and calculations as part of the research? In short, John — you recognize you are in the business of communicating research, so do so with utmost professionalism, accuracy etc.

  • Birchtree

    P&Q and P&Q for Execs both do a fantastic service in providing information to people interested in all things relating to business schools.  Speaking for myself (and assuming many others), I have learned so much from reading these two sites and your commentary is petty and trite… 

  • MBAHopeful

    Hi John,
    Based on your explanation of how you composed this list it seems to me that Dartmouth, should have placed higher than Stern. Dartmouth placed (6th and 4th) and appeared twice on the top ten list giving it (7+5+20 = 32). Whereas Stern placed 8th and 10th and appeared twice on the top ten list giving it (1+3+20=24). Kindly explain futher if I’m mistaken.

    Thanks,
    MBAHopeful

  • Busconnect

    It appears that Dartmouth is losing tons of ground lately.. this is also apparent in the rankings..

  • Robin

    As discussed in earlier posts , the best European business schools start from the 15th+ equivalent in US (US news rankings). Rankings in several magazines or newspapers place European business schools high in rankings so that they keep them happy and balanced…check GMAT requirements as well. Where is LBS + INSEAD and where is lets say Stern, Chicago, MIT. The GMAT is the ONLY way to compare performance across candidates. The average scores are indicative.  

  • Busconnect

    @ Birtchtree

    I agree with you!

    @ Critical

    Come on we are human beings look at the substance

  • Markimar

    I prefer NYU Stern, far more innovative school and ability to move fast to market changes. Harder to get in also.

  • Markimar

    Nowadays Stern > Dartmouth Dartmouth great school but losing ground

  • Ree698

    if the GMAT is the only way (as your narrow view) then IIM Ahmedabad should be the first B school worldwide (average 770), European business schools are different in culture learning but it doesn’t mean that the top 15 US schools are better, NO. INSEAD and LBS are way ahead of most top 10 US schools except HWS. broaden your view and be informed that there is a world outside US. 

  • Lonham

    Ree

    While I agree that the GMAT is not the only factor you take into account, we have to compare apples with apples- IIM is not at the same caliber as the schools discussed above – not even close to the resources and alumni networks. As for top 15 US = LBS and INSEAD, we saw how those schools dropped dramatically in the last rankings + I will tell you my own story- I was accepted to INSEAD + LBS and another top 10-12 US school. I rejected the European ones to pursue the one in US. First, besides the far more laxed admission criteria of those 2 schools mentioned above, the alumni network is not even close to what I would get from my current school. EU education particularly in business will ALWAYS lag that of what you get in US from every perspective. People will have to swallow and accept it.  INSEAD survives due to its 10 month program duration which makes it faster and with an opportunity cost lower. This is a VERY distinctive factor.

  • Merticul

    Gentleman this discussion should not even take place here- its laughable! I am attending Cornell and there is not even 1 chance in a million I would accept going to either INSEAD or LBS!  I have 3 friends who graduated from INSEAD and the quality of education is really sub par. So much marketing window dressing. No thanks!!

  • Maryjohn

    Excuse?? Way ahead of most top 10 US schools except HWS?? Are you in dreamland or something? 

  • Rolad

    Gentlemen Stern and CBS are of the same caliber, in Finance Stern is better but overall they are about the same. CBS is perhaps slightly more prestigious perhaps due its Ivy status (this doesn’t mean necessarily better).

  • Dreamer

    The truth of the matter is that HBS and Stanford are the best business schools in the world. Wharton you can argue to be number three but there is no way you can argue either way for the next ten. Also at that point it is more based on preferences than anything else. You cannot argue that your life will be better by going to NYU rather CBS. Or I am going to be more successful in life because I am at Chicago, which is rank number 5 now vs. going to NYU because is 11 now. At this level is all based on “fit”. I will even argue that you cannot make that claim for HBS or Stanford either.

  • Ree698

    I disagree

  • R710

    I am not
    sure it is really relevant to compare US b-schools with EU b-schools like INSEAD
    and LBS. The main reason is they are not really competing because they are not
    designed for the same students. INSEAD for example is focusing in developing
    global manager. The value of its degree is very strong for companies doing
    business in a complex multicultural environment. As an example, worldwide,
    McKinsey recruits more INSEAD than any other b-schools (HBS being #2). In all
    continents except North America, only HBS and Stanford have a brand as strong
    as INSEAD or LBS, all other US
    b-schools being largely unknown.
    However, inside US, you are completely correct. INSEAD and LBS have very low
    brand recognition and might not even reach US top 20 b-schools. EU b-schools studies
    are not really appropriate to work for a US centric company.

    Concerning
    the GMAT level, at INSEAD or LBS, typically more than 80% of students are none English
    native speakers. Under this circumstance, achieving an average score of 704 is
    pretty good. I am just wondering what would be the average score of an HBS
    class if they had to pass again the GMAT but in their second or third language?

  • Castor

    Are you serious alleging that all other schools globally apart HBS and Stanford are unknown? Is MIT unknown? Columbia? Chicago? Berkeley? Stern? All these Schools are top tier schools. If we are talking about the butcher around the corner the only school they know is Harvard not even Stanford. But if we talk about people in business, then its a completely different story. While INSEAD is probably the most reputable European School it is by no means up to the caliber and rigor of the top 15 US Schools. Due to the fact that in US we got HBS and Stanford, people tend to focus on those schools among the remaining top 13 but in Europe there is practically 1 at the MOST 2 schools (referring to LBS) which make the difference and therefore the names of the schools are maintained in memory. I completely agree with the posts above that place INSEAD and LBS <= top 15 US there is absolutely no doubt about it. Its popularity also lies on the fact that the program is only 10 months, as someone also mentioned in this post. For LBS I will not comment because it is a school of lower caliber. Plus it is well known that getting into those EU schools is far less rigorous than their US rivals overall. 

  • R710

    Hi Castor, I was not talking about the universities but rather their b-schools (Haas, Booth, Sloan, CBS) because INSEAD is not a university but a b-school and, for me, it made more sense to compare apples to apples. So my comment was simply that, in EU and Asia, Sloan or Haas brand name recognition is lower than INSEAD.
    Otherwise, I would be more severe than you in ranking INSEAD/LBS in the US and for the US companies. I think they are <=20 rather than <= 15. After INSEAD/LBS, your understanding of US business would be less deep than most of US b-schools.
    However, once again, INSEAD's strategy is building global leader, therefore its targeted applicants are very different compared to the US ones. INSEAD looks typically for graduates (not undergrad), 29years old, 6year experience, 2 to 3 different nationalities per applicant, 3 to 4 languages spoken, Working/living experience across 2 to 3 continents having had global responsibilities.
    I want also to talk about the comment from US citizens that INSEAD is easier to get in. It is true but only for US appicants. It is due to the fact that the amount of US applicants to EU b-schools is quite low and INSEAD has an unofficial target of 10% of US citizens. 3 reasons may explain why so few US citizens apply to INSEAD:
    – There are plenty of very good b-school in the US
    – US students prefer focusing on the way US is doing business rather than on understanding the differences of business cultures between US, EU, Asia-Pacific and Latin America.
    – INSEAD's none negotiable requirement of 3 spoken languages (Minimum business level) makes the eligible high level US applicants quite rare.
    Interestingly, I think the opposite happens for most EU/Asian candidates to US b-school (HBS & Stanford excluded). They usually found it easier to get admitted to them compared to the EU top 2 ones. In this case, it is due to the 30% of seats reserved for foreigners in US b-schools and for which the competition is much lower compared to the other 70% given to US applicants.

  • Jaquisa

    Castor+R710,

    I agree with your analysis about INSEAD and LBS but you are wrong that those schools <= Top 15 US. I tend to agree more with R710 that they are at the very very maximum top <=20 US Schools perhaps even top 25. The only difference that I do not differentiate between EU and US. INSEAD and LBS I place them globally at this level and not only in US.

    I do not think that the 3rd language requirement at INSEAD is really something that distinguishes success/from failure. I am not applying as an ambassador, I am applying as a business man/woman. A highly clever person with learn the language in 1 year this is not an issue to reject candidates on this basis. And this is precisely the point that the core caliber of students at INSEAD is of inferior quality vs other business schools- softer skills requirement. If you got the hardcore skills you will get the soft ones easy.

    I am an INSEAD MBA btw with 4 languages in my pocket  but I am thinking of pursuing an EMBA at a US School because I did not feel that INSEAD gave me enough in 10 months after talking to other friends who had been to other schools.

    Unfortunately the quality of the school as deteriorated. 

  • Jaquisa

    Castor+R710,

    I agree with your analysis about INSEAD and LBS but you are wrong that those schools <= Top 15 US. I tend to agree more with R710 that they are at the very very maximum top <=20 US Schools perhaps even top 25. The only difference that I do not differentiate between EU and US. INSEAD and LBS I place them globally at this level and not only in US.

    I do not think that the 3rd language requirement at INSEAD is really something that distinguishes success/from failure. I am not applying as an ambassador, I am applying as a business man/woman. A highly clever person with learn the language in 1 year this is not an issue to reject candidates on this basis. And this is precisely the point that the core caliber of students at INSEAD is of inferior quality vs other business schools- softer skills requirement. If you got the hardcore skills you will get the soft ones easy.

    I am an INSEAD MBA btw with 4 languages in my pocket  but I am thinking of pursuing an EMBA at a US School because I did not feel that INSEAD gave me enough in 10 months after talking to other friends who had been to other schools.

    Unfortunately the quality of the school as deteriorated. 

  • Marioaristo

    I am very astonished as to why you people waste time and energy to discuss about INSEAD or LBS vs US Schools. There is just no comparison, we are talking about different Leagues here and it is very annoying to read these discussions. 

    @ John Byrne

    John why don’t you make a separate website or forum which discusses EU Business Schools. 

    There just is no comparison with their US “competitors” you cannot compare a BMW 325 with an Aston Martin if you get my point.

  • Youtrolls

    I’d strongly disagree with trolls here. Insead, lbs are at the same level as top 5 programs in the US. Kellogg or Wharton would not form an alliance with these equal level schools otherwise. Plus, the 1 year program is apparently a new way to go as clearly evidenced by Kellogg’s recent decision to focus on the 1 year offering as that is what the MBA market tells them.

    Most commenters here are probably in the top 10-15 schools, hoping that their schools rank higher, bashing other schools except undisputed Harvard or Stanford.

    Nobody would take your comments seriously when there is a plenty of people who get into INSEAD, for example, are getting into Cornell or Michigan with full tuition scholarships or people who get waitlisted at INSEAD get into Wharton with a scholarship or people who get into LBS get waitlisted at HBS.

  • Throwyouunderthebus

    Bullshit. Dartmouth, albeit a smaller school with a small class and alumni base, punches above its weight in all sectors. It deserves to be a top 5 school.

  • Ridiculous

    Cornell is not considered a top school. You wouldn’t even get admitted to INSEAD or LBS, had you applied. Not even a chance in a million. It’s the other way around. So it’s laughable.

  • Sensible

    It seems like you are talking nonsense here. McKinsey, BCG or Bain or other globally renowned and prestigious firms would not hire INSEAD or LBS graduates, had this actually been true. Another fact that was mentioned by someone else below is that INSEAD forms an alliance with Wharton and Kellogg, exchanging faculty and doing research together and shares common career services network for students on exchange which is only possible among the schools at the same level. Plus, INSEAD cases are used in top bschool classrooms very frequently, only behind Harvard Business School cases.

  • Really

    As the world becomes more interconnected and global, it is absolutely crucial and a huge plus for a present or future business leader to be able to understand various cultures and speak more than 2 languages.

    I do think that INSEAD’s trilingual policy is very much forward-looking, if not already responding to the current market needs.

    Now, I am not sure if you truly went to INSEAD or possibily are bitter about losing out on lots of opportunities to your classmates because you were just not competitive enough.

    I also am not certain if your basis of argument that INSEAD students are of inferior caliber due to INSEAD’s policy of rejecting candidates who only speak one language holds ground. To me, you sound like somebody who got rejected by INSEAD because you just do not speak more than one language or lack international motivation, which again is crucial in today’s business.

  • Merticul

    You are as Ridiculus as your name? Is INSEAD paying you to defend it here? It seems so. 

  • Basel

    I have to interfere here- I am a Wharton alum who went on an exchange to INSEAD. I am sorry to say but I was very much disappointed from the quality compared to Wharton. While it was interesting experience I tend to agree that INSEAD is probably inferior to the top 15 US Schools by a big shot. It is, however, probably together with LBS, the best business school in Europe. This is the reason it is preferred among other EU schools. Cornell and Michigan are better, at least in my perception.

  • paramia

    if that the case, Why Mckinsey hired 68, Bain and BCG  hired 31 each, and many top recruiters did so. Why?

  • Basel

    Because as I said earlier its the best B-School in Europe.Mc Kinsey has offices in Europeas well you know. Where will it hire from in its European offices?I never said INSEAD is a bad school its great but its not higher than top 15 US. And top 15 US are top tier business schools.

  • Moriaristo

    Just check GMAT- INSEAD Median GMAT = 700! Chicago 719; Stern 719. There is just no comparison

  • TheOxfordguy

    I graduated from Judge. I strongly believe that Oxford is slowly taking over INSEAD and LBS. It is my opinion that LBS + INSEAD are falling behind slowly. More so INSEAD due to its location. At least LBS is in London.

  • TheOxfordguy

    Dartmouth is a great School. Certainly miles better compared to INSEAD or LBS

  • TheOxfordguy

    Sensible, be sensible please! I would not even DARE placing the name of INSEAD near HBS even if it has to do with case studies. Darden also does its own cases and other schools do as well. I have never used never even 1 INSEAD case in classrooms. HBS tons of them!

  • Jaquisa

    I was rejected by most top 7-13 US business Schools

  • Jaquisa

    As my GMAT was only 650. But I was accepted at INSEAD and I liked the 10 months idea.

  • paramia

    Oxford and Cambridge are not good at all in business education, they are for natural sciences and research. for business NO. INSEAD is far away ahead of all european schools and only comparable with Harvard in global scale. Placements and recruiting reports tell you all that. the strongest alumni network you ever find is the INSEAD one particularly in consulting and banking. oxford, cambridge, and Yale in US need at least 15 to 20 years with increasing their class sizes to more than 500 to be really true player in the MBA industry. don’t just be taken by the BRAND name of those universities, the professional people within MBA markets know clearly which program is good and which isn’t. they know for instance that IMD is far better than cambridge despite its tremendous brand name. My advice is to be realistic and pick the program that you could fit. My friend is accepted into Harvard, Kellogg, and INSEAD, he picked INSEAD. Yes, he was in tough situation on how to turn down HBS with its huge golden brand, he always say: when it came to reality I realized that INSEAD is better for me because he was in consulting in INDIA and was in 31 when enrolling. he said HBS with majority of students at 26 to 28, there will be a difference. another reasonable reason is that he want his network in asia and especially india and singapore. INSEAD was his obvious choice. the conclusion is: all the top 30 schools worldwide will give you solid hard skills training, the soft skills is the real differentiation between them and it depends on each school style and its match to your need. 

  • Guest

    Keep the lists coming John. Really appreciate all that you do, and your site has become THE PLACE for pre-MBAs to get info. I know it was very useful in my application process. 

    I must say, that the top 10 has three particular characters in place, being Ross, Darden, and McDonough. I guess student satisfaction could be due to 1) exceeded expectations of opportunities of the school coming out and 2) reasonable expectations of opportunities going in.  I think one thing you’ll find at these three schools is that students tend to be hard working, husting, and not have any delusions of grandeur going in (I know this is particularly the case at McDonough). 

    I hate to knock it more, but I spoke to a lot of Col students when I was researching schools.  Given their general piss-poor attitude, I’m not surprised in the least that they aren’t even on their list. Every schlub at Col thinks they are the next Warren Buffet. Their inferiority complex to W and Booth was also suffocating and off-putting. 

  • Guest

    LOL u mad

  • OxfordUnimpressed

    Thats why you are from Oxford.
    Insead has Paris. Shame on Oxford…

  • Comeon

    You are a troll. Not a Wharton alum who went on an exchange to insead. You don’t even know the fact that once you are hired to McKinsey, you get to choose the office. So what actually matters is if your school is their target school. Insead sends more kids to MBB than any other bschool, even more than HBS. So that’s another fact that insead cannot be inferior to Cornell or Michigan. Maybe you graduated from Cornell, trying to promote your school by bringing down insead. Oh hey wait… Didn’t Cornell just hire an insead professor to be their dean? Ok. End of conversation.

  • Wow

    Maybe you got lucky and shouldn’t have been admitted to insead? Did it ever occur to you? You do know there is a hbs alum who never deserved a seat in the first place but somehow lucked out and got in then ends up going back to industry making barely low 6 figures? I wish I had gotten into insead with 650..

  • Sensible

    Go to Wikipedia and search for insead. It’s also publicly known, (obviously had one gone to a right bschool, not Oxford), that insead cases are widely used in bschools, only second to hbs.

  • Ridiculous

    Oh really? Where did Cornell bschool’s dean come from? And what’s Cornell’s current ranking? And I know three people who got into Insead that rejected Cornell’s full ride offers. They got no such offers from insead. That tells me expected caliber of students at Cornell is lower. Stop trying to defend your school. Perhaps, Ithaca is where you should end up forever away from the business world.

  • YourflawedLogicis1D

    First of all, Indians and Chinese skew those GMAT numbers. And I think we all know their numbers are capped at said schools, especially at insead. Plus, top American schools are way more stats whore than said schools. The latter values more of professional progression and international motivation along with the reputation of work and undergrad than the actual gpa or GMAT. Two different ways of determining candidacy. Quality vs quantity. Broad minded va narrow minded. GMAT of 703 ain’t too different from GMAT of 720, when there are less Indians and Chinese applying to said schools and when there are really busy, more mature (29 vs 27 year olds) goldman sachs’ VP’s, directors from industry, blackstone PE analysts apply with less time to take another crack at GMAT to bring up 17 points. They got more important, value-added stuff to do.

  • Jeremie

    Though I would agree with the Oxford points, I am really, really astonished how it would be possible for one who got accepted to HBS to drop it down for INSEAD. Perhaps they got full scholarship or got influenced from an inside connection whom he had known to get into this unreasonable decisions. This is a life time decision and making such a fundamental mistake in life you will end up paying at some point. I agree that prof. people know the real value of the business schools- they know very well that INSEAD is by no means better than top 15 US. As you have also seen for yourself, there is huge consensus here that this holds true (more than 20 posts about it) and it gets very tiring to have some people attempting to prove the opposite from the obvious. Also, I consider GMAT as a fundamental indication of the admission rigor of the school. No wonder why John had made a SEPARATE blog talking on how extremely important is the GMAT (followed by GPA) to get in. And as discussed by some people here, the GMAT requirement for INSEAD is REALLY low for a top 15 US School. This level is commensurate to <top 15 school in US. The fact that Mc Kinsey and other good firms DO hire is because INSEAD is considered perhaps within the top 1-2 schools in Europe and those firms have large European offices. Keep also in mind that if you search Linkedin, there are people from other schools populating McKinsey and other strategy consulting firms. In Europe, those firms are far less rigorous from their American peers (max top US 15 they accept) and therefore get people from other schools as well. And please its so obnoxious and idiotic to even compare HBS and INSEAD. Its really off limits and manipulative to people who may not know. I would never never never, chose INSEAD over HBS even if I was sleeping on INSEAD campus. 

    @ Wow- a 650 in GMAT given a median GMAT at INSEAD of 700 is PERFECTLY within the range of distribution that would get accepted to the school- EASILY. This shows how clueless you are about statistics and statistical distributions.

  • Tuckieforlife

    Yes to the Dartmouth part. Not sure how Dartmouth compares to insead or lbs though. I do know it’s better than Oxford though.

  • Mayo

    I don’t understand who and how one can come up with insead at the top 15 us bschool level? Is this from the GMAT? From the placement alone, it sure hell seems like a school at top 3 level? Perhaps I should apply to insead! I got into Michigan and Darden but insead seems much better to me as I’m looking to switch to consulting.

  • CBS2014

    Is this guy from top 16 school? Or maybe from Oxford? Where are these 20 posts you are talking about? You mean the ones you posted? You guys crack me up. As a CBS guy, I just want you guys to know it looks bad when one speaks ill of any school, whether it’s true or not. More than likely not though. Whatever your negative opinion about any school, keep it to yourselves. It becomes a pissing contest. Any top school in the US or Europe will be fine. It’s all about the fit and individual goals. I know a handful of friends who chose insead over other M7 US schools and vice versa. I do know in bschool circles, insead and London business school are considered equal to M7 schools. It surprisingly comes down to individual choices and fit again. I wouldnt worry too much about online posts that try to counter public rankings and spread rumors badmouthing specific schools, whether it’s my own CBS, insead or LBS or Wharton. There are a lot of school campaigns and people with a certain malicious purpose.

  • Critical Thinker 2012

    Pretty pathetic John — are you trying to prove a point with “Indez”. While this may be trivial, overall John’s comments, articles and rankings are to be questioned over, and over again — he does not have credibility.

  • Jeremie

    Some one mentioned below that GMAT of 703 is the same as 720. Whoever posted this is really clueless and out of reality: Do you know that after 680 and particularly 700, the progression in the level of difficulty is at least exponential? A difference from 703 (INSEAD) vs 719 at Chicago, Yale Stern makes it AT least 1 tier difference in admission difficulty. Plus given your logic, do you really think that this is ONLY what these schools require? vs INSEAD which is “so international”. Among all the acutely competitive requirements comes a GMAT of 719 on top. The rigor and admission criteria is far from comparable. All US Schools target basically geniuses and not just “good” or “very good” potentially international managers with 3 languages into their pocket. As someone posted below and made me laugh, we do not go to business school to become ambassadors. 

  • 4Real

    Are you a US bschool MBA student or a wannabe?
    As far as I know, Yale and Stern are extremely competitive schools to get into. It’s tougher than Kellogg or Chicago. I’ve seen many who got into Chicago or Kellogg but not Yale or Stern.

    Having said that, insead seems to look beyond just the GMAT. I went to Kellogg two years ago and
    I can tell you US schools do NOT target geniuses. At least to my knowledge, all top US schools including Kellogg target people with balanced w/e, GMAT, gpa, leadership etc.

    I don’t think you know what you are talking about at all.

  • Jeremie

    4Real,

    I did not mean to offend you. I know that Stern and Yale are far more competitive to get into than Chicago or Kellogg and I also know many many applicants who managed to get into Chicago or Kellogg, but as you say got dinged from Stern and Yale. But I just used the names to show the difference versus INSEAD. As for INSEAD please allow me to agree with a dozen other bloggers in this blog. While I admit that I used the wrong expression “target basically geniuses” in making my self more clear I would rephrase and write instead “get far more competitive and high caliber applicants”. Do not take me wrong, INSEAD is a great school but because its # 1-2 in Europe, that still doesn’t make it as competitive as US Schools. I asked many people and I looked into many programs. I do not fall trapped in the marketing plots of some schools. I check hard numbers as well and I learn from people from within. The entire discussion started when someone asked why LBS and INSEAD are not included in the list of top business schools with the best career prospects. I think this analysis gives some concrete light to the END result = FACTS versus ad hoc emotional discussions carried out in this thread. It appears therefore, that INSEAD does not manage to rank high in this respect and this should definitely be a RED signal to both LBS and INSEAD. It may really hurt some people BUT this is reality. As to another question why Columbia is not on the list as well, that I cannot explain but it is a fact that Columbia is far better school than both INSEAD and LBS.I would also like to thank John for his great research and particular effort in publishing this distinctively important table to us. It shows a lot! Thanks again.

  • paramia

    I don’t know if you can read? BUT INSEAD is the only school that sent Mckinsey 127 in a single year, 68 to BCG, and 48 to Bain! can u tell which other school did so (including HBS)? regarding to the GMAT, someone, mentioned that the average at IIMA in india is 770 away ahead of any school, does that make it best one worldwide? no, Duke has less than 700, yet is clearly better than Yale (720). I believe you are just very naive person who can not think beyond borders..

  • Jeremie

    Sorry to tell you but it appears that you do not read at all. 1) Did I say INSEAD is a bad school? Its a great school BUT not at par as top 15 US. 2) INSEAD may be the best in Europe thats why Mc Kinsey hires from them in Europe. In contrast, in US, we have 15 top tier business schools and the distribution hired to McKinsey etc. is far wider! THink wider and on a global scale. 3) Did I say that GMAT is the only element? I said that ON TOP of other severely competitive factors, comes a GMAT of 720! Do you know that the GMAT is the ONLY stat that you can really compare student with student? Do you think that John accidentally posted this thread on P&O??: 
    http://poetsandquants.com/2012/03/27/gpas-gmats-what-you-need-to-get-in/2/

  • Sunny

    I am an IMD graduate and while I tend to agree that INSEAD is at most top 15 US equivalent, I do not agree in the posts that INSEAD and LBS are the best business schools in Europe. IMD is a superb business school clearly slowly overtaking the other 2. IMDs career services are phenomenal clearly included on the list of B-Schools With The ‘Best Career Prospects’ while INSEAD is excluded. I think this is a very serious difference.

  • Alternative

    Comparable to HBS??!!!! Paramia you are Paranoia! INSEAD is not even close to HBS. Also, do you know how many Alumni INSEAD has? 41000 Alumni worldwide! HBS has more than 80k! This is more than double- there is spectacular difference. Check INSEAD website to see their # of Alumni. 41k is peanuts compared to other US schools’ global alumni network. If you say this to HBS people they will really start laughing…

  • Merticul

    Cornell is an IVY League. Where is INSEAD?

  • Merticul

    I agree. Dartmouth is amazing school. Check both Dartmouth and INSEAD here: 
    http://www.economist.com/whichmba/full-time-mba-ranking

    This is not by sole bad luck that INSEAD’s rank dropped to # 19. Plus this ranking is very lenient. 

  • Merticul

    Wow, who is this person who sneaked into HBS? Are you trying to tell me that INSEAD compares to HBS? Did you see the career placement rank of HBS? Where is ISNEAD in the list. Perhaps John made a “typo” and excluded it by accident? 

  • paramia

    Although it is good school, it is very regional. its global reach is weak and hurt. isolated location and small class size, all that hurt. But overall, people know that Dartmouth is on par with Harvard Stanford Wharton on the quality and prestige. BUT INSEAD is in different league, its global player not regional one. and this is main characteristic that draw and attract recruiters. 

  • paramia

    Type in Google: INSEAD vs … and see which school people compare to insead it is HBS. HBS 80K alumni including those of executive education not merely MBA. INSEAD started in 1957 and HBS started in 1908, yet they are competitirs now in the market, this tell u that INSEAD is truly overcome HBS especially in ASIA Europe and ME. no way can HBS graduate can compete with INSEADer in those area. I see many people turn down HBS for INSEAD in the recent years, and I see many faculty members from INSEAD been recruited by top US schools to help them copy INSEAD experience. Also, do u know that HSK share their alumni database and career services with INSEAD, do u think they do this for fun? NO, they know the invaluable assets they get from sharing INSEAD alumni base. wake up man, INSEAD is the only Global B school that rule. consulting industry is led and shaped by INSEADers..

  • Merticul

    INSEAD is in different league vs Dartmouth? Dartmouth is regional player? What else will I hear here…

  • paramia

    Stanford in not an ivy, does this make Yale better than Stanford? NO. ivy league is for undergrad, and it is mean nothing at all to the professional people. It just tell that you are still with undergrad mindset and this explain enough on how u look to INSEAD. it is beyond your horizons. 

  • Merticul

    What does wikipedia have to do with the brand name. Every school tries to maximize SEO. INSEAD is only second to HBS? But far better than Cornell and Dartmouth right? + the other 10+ US business school. 

  • Merticul

    Guest,

    I completely agree with what you say. Plus this list is great and helps a lot a student to revise his/her own decision making as to which business schools really worth it.

  • Merticul

    We were talking about INSEAD vs Cornell. Of course there are some exceptions but where is INSEAD on the above list? But I see Cornell. 

  • Merticul

    I did:

    My quest for Life!!!!!: INSEAD vs US b-schools iamalittlemorethanuseless.blogspot.com/2010/…/1-year-vs-2-year.ht…Mar 29, 2010 – INSEAD vs US b-schools. Yesterday Miss “S” threw some questions at me, forcing me to think hard. Though i could answer most of them but …Whartonvs vs INSEAD vs Kellogg vs Oxford – Getting into Business … forums.businessweek.com/dir-app/acx/ACDispatch.aspx?…Feb 15, 2010 – I’ve been accepted to these 4: Wharton, INSEAD, Kellogg, Oxford I’m an entrepreneur and want to get out of school quick. Which one is the best …INSEAD vs Yale SOM – Getting into Business Schools – BW …‎ – Apr 5, 2012INSEAD vs. MIT – Getting into Business Schools – BW Business …‎ – Mar 1, 2011Chicago Booth vs. INSEAD – Getting into Business Schools – BW …‎ – Mar 31, 2010Wharton vs. INSEAD vs. LBS – Getting into Business Schools …‎ – May 3, 2009More results from forums.businessweek.com »INSEAD vs Yale SOM | Wall Street Oasis www.wallstreetoasis.com › Forums › Business School Barrage3 days ago – INSEAD has an alliance with Wharton and links to Asia via its Singapore campus but is also heavily focused on consulting. Yale SOM has the …MBA @ IE vs LBS vs INSEAD vs IMD vs Said‎ – Mar 29, 2012
    Its really so crazy comparing INSEAD to HBS. It clearly shows that you are so biased. You compare a space ship with a BMW3 Series.

  • Merticul

    Also, talking about HBS exec ed. Are you aware that some HBS Exec Ed programs are far harder to get into compared to INSEAD’s EMBA program? 

  • paramia

    Thats the truth, Dartmouth for new england NOT for working in Shanghai. strong bond between its alumni is tremendous and second to none. BUT on global scale, NO..even Tuckies know this..their playing yard is northeast no more..You seem to mix that every excellent business school is by default will be number one worldwide. this is not the case there are plenty of excellent and fantastic business school in US, and they arent famous, look at Olin in St Louis for finance, Tepper for operation, Kenan for finance, UIUC for accounting ,,and more, BUT when talking about Global scale, INSEAD rule..no single school can stand against INSEAD in this category..

  • paramia

    in your opinion yes. BUT in reality NO, when you come back to real life and land to the truth, you will see that INSEAD is totally the best GLOBAL business school, and its model has been adapted even by HBS in their new curriculum. Do u know what FIELD curse is about? and why they renewed the curriculum..? all HBS ex course can depends on how much u pay? no more no less. btw, do u know that HBS can accept someone in their Full time MBAwithout undergrad degree ???!!!

  • Merticul

    paramia,

    Please dont tell me now that INSEAD is better than HBS. This is totally absurd. There not even a single person who would chose INSEAD over HBS and possibly many would not chose INSEAD over top 15 US. As for HBS exec ed, I am serious the admission rate to GMP, AMP, PLD is less than 25%. This is not the case for INSEAD EMBA program. 

    Also,

    “In offering its own alternative to the GMAT… its new test option will be tailored specifically to the program’s more senior, global applicant pool.” 

    It appears that they want to make the highly transparent, GMAT requirement less transparent by introducing their own test…

  • paramia

    ok you said: ”
    There not even a single person who would chose INSEAD over HBS and possibly many would not chose INSEAD over top 15 US”. can you tell how did you come with this conclusion??!! do u have statistics? most probably NO. and this explain a lot about your way of thinking, tunnel vision.. I know personally one who chose INSEAD over HBS, he is now partner at Bain Singapore..u should have realistic view..I’ll repeat again, do u know that HBS can accept someone without undergrad degree??!!

  • paramia

    u’ll definitely get into consulting with INSEAD name on ur cv..It is the school that shaped and shaping the consulting industry..its nickname is Mckinsead..do u know any single school that placed 127 in a single year to Mckinsey, 68 to BCG, 48 to Bain, and many others..??? placements in my opinion is the best measure of the quality of any program..

  • JonathanKol

    paramia,

    Calm down- you trash every top tier US business school including HBS to promote INSEAD. Isn’t this really too much? It also shows great insecurity and buyers remorse ..by trashing all schools around you, you end up making INSEAD look even worse.

  • paramia

    my Q again: do u know that HBS can accept someone without undergrad???!!!!!

  • Merticul

    Why do you know such a case? 

  • Please

    Umm. Nobody cares about IMD. And INSEAD clearly is not just an equivalent of top 15 US bschools. I have never heard of this claim before today..

  • Idiot

    This ranking is a piece of crap. Do not rely on this. See where KellOgg, Yale, Harvard, Stanford and Wharton rank. Also Michigan, and other top schools rank really low. I would never trust this ranking. If you do, you are an idiot.

  • paramia

    No body asked u to care..the important is when Mckinsey, Bain, BCG, Goldman sachs, Morgan, and other elite employers care..for u its healthy  not care..have a blast ::)))

  • Ridiculous

    Nobody cares about EMBA. That’s a BS money grabber. Don’t bring that here.

  • Sensible

    Ok. First off, please do not defend Cornell. Nobody in the right mind looks past top 10 bschool. Cornell is not one. When I cited Wikipedia, I was referring to INSEAD’s cases being used in top bschool classrooms along with HBS’ cases. I cannot comment on Cornell’s cases. Cornell is not a school that came up on my radar when I applied to bschools. I applied to HSW, INSEAD and Dartmouth and got into W, Insead and Dartmouth. I did not end up going anywhere due to a career opportunity but I got lots of friends going to top 3-5 US bschools and INSEAD and LBS. Let me tell you it looks funny to see lots of students who belong to an ‘outsider’ bschool bash LBS and INSEAD in this post. It makes you so called top 15 bschool students truly insecure. Do not try to bring down LBS or INSEAD to your level. Period.

  • Ridiculous

    The above ranking is clearly not a ranking per se. It’s based on some data points I’m sure that LBS, INSEAD, MIT, Kellogg etc. are way more superb than Georgetown, Darden, Cornell, IMD etc.

  • 4Real

    I wouldn’t trust this ranking. I don’t think Georgetown, Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, Ross et al. are in the same league as other usual suspect schools that got ranked here. Not only Columbia is missing, but also insead and LBS are also missing with IMD instead ranked along with other outsider schools.

  • Koolaid

    Ross, Darden and Georgetown do not usually compare to CBS. What weed are you people smoking??

  • Koolaid

    I think this table is confusing to many at best. Cornell, Georgetown, Ross and Berkeley along with M7, Dartmouth, NYU with Columbia missing? Give me a break.

  • Busconnect

    hmm this is a very serious issue for a separate debate. Can you please bring his issue to the P&Q for executives site? It really is very interesting and will capture tons of attention. There was a lot of heat into the EMBA vs PLD of HBS alleging that HBS doesn’t have EMBA because they do too think that that EMBA is BS as well. Can you raise this issue please? thx 

  • My2cents

    I think there are a lot of people here who belong to no. 16 bschool, bashing Columbia, LBS and INSEAD actually. Paramia seems to be defending INSEAD against those. Not trashing other top US bschools. .

  • Ridiculous

    John publishes a lot of debatable rankings every week to excite outsider bschool students and alike. The general bschool audience knows that M7, which includes CBS, along with Dartmouth, NYU, Yale and two European schools (insead and lbs) are far more superior to, say, Cornell, Georgetown, Ross, Carnegie Mellon, IMD that are ranked here. The former and the latter grips don’t usually mix together with the latter clearly considered inferior to the former. I guess people who belong to the latter talk trash here.

  • Please

    I meant insead is “not just” a us top 15 equivalent. And I have never heard of the above person’s claim that it’s an equivalent of top 15. It’s a much better school. You need to learn to speak English. Because you don’t even know when I’m actually siding with you.

  • HBSboy

    HAHAHAAHAHAHA This is a really funny thread I really enjoy it! INSEAD is BY FAR FAR better school than HBS because HBS admitted a person with no undergraduate degree! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  

    Yes! INSEAD is # 1. Top 15 US schools are all TRASH compared to INSEAD. I totally crack! 

  • Sunny

    Nobody gives a crap about INSEAD as well. INSEAD is a money making machine flooded with people who claim its even better than Harvard + top US 15 Schools. Just make a search on LinkeIn to see where people work and stand. Did you make this search? Because I have! This is the market man the market. You people are deadly scared and so insecure. A 10 month program comparing to top 15 US. Give me a break…

  • Georgetownie

    Relax there hbs boy. You sound like a hbs wanna be. In reality, I think you go to Georgetown?

  • Please

    Coming from a guy who went to IMD, yeah right. Stop copying my style of writing by the way. Is that what IMD teaches you to do? Although I never thought about applying to IMD, I can see why it never occurred to me. It’s for people who are not original thinkers.

  • Merticul

    I think this table is superb. Thank you John! It shows a lot about B-School quality. NYU is on the list – top 8 why do you say that it is missing?

  • Koolaid

    If you are a native English speaker, you would read that I said Columbia is missing?

  • Merticul

    I was wondering why is Columbia is missing as well. INSEAD missing I totally understand and makes sense, for Columbia though I am not sure why its happening. There was an analysis by someone on this thread though on why Columbia is missing. The analysis pointed out that Stern is better by x% in placing its graduates vs Columbia. He provided some stats. Too long thread to look who provided it.

  • Merticul

    I found it was done by Martin:

    “I was purely going by the link I posted earlier – specifically the part quoted below. Going by Dreamer’s argument, if Columbia sent a bigger percentage of graduates into finance than Stern, you would expect to see their rankings come out worse in a period where the job market was weak for finance graduates.
    I wasn’t able to get data to suggest whether this claim was true or not. But the rankings could be based on other criteria besides which school is more of a “finance” school. Hope that clarifies things a little bit!
    “The financial meltdown of 2009 led to a disaster of an MBA recruiting season at Columbia’s Business School and NYU’s Stern School. Nearly four of every ten graduating students in Columbia’s Class of 2009 was without a job at commencement. Columbia was more severely impacted than any other top ten school because it traditionally feeds Wall Street and the big banks which were largely on life support at the time. In fact, for the first time in recent history, three consulting firms–McKinsey, Boston Consulting Group, and Bain–were at the top of the list of employers hiring Columbia MBAs rather than the financial services firms which tend to dominate. Though NYU also is heavily dependent on finance for jobs, it seemed to do a much better job of getting its graduates placed. The number of Stern MBAs employed at graduation were 11 percentage points higher than those at Columbia. Stern’s uptown rival closed the gap three months later, but still trailed NYU by more than three percentage points.””

  • Koolaid

    I think you need to retake your GMAT. Their posts are about Stern vs Columbia. It still does not justify Columbia completely missing in the table when Georgetown, Cornell and Carnegie Mellon appear along with other outsiders.

  • Koolaid

    Insead and LBS missing is not understandable when IMD is in the table, let alone other non top American bschools.

  • paramia

    Harvard accepted someone with GMAT of 490, Tuck 570, Stanford 590…GMAT isn’t big deal..the deal is placement…INSEAD rules in this category..

  • What

    Duke is not better than Yale. Where did you get that? Yale is a much better school.

  • paramia

    Yale as university, Yes better than Duke. BUT as MBA program No, duke is better. statistics, employment reports, and overall program are better.. Yale MBA has huge potential but they need to increase their class size..

  • Dukevsyale

    this is not true  yale as a university and its mba program are much better than duke. US news ranking refkecrs that too along with entrance criteria and selectivity

  • paramia

    this is another mistake. people here tend to correlate how good is the program with its entrance criteria and selectivity. This is NOT always correct. You should measure any program with its outputs NOT inputs!! what can I do with a program that can’t open doors for me..Yale is very selective BUT does it place as MIT or Kellogg both less selective than Yale? NO, selectivity is proportional with the class size, and never be a major measure on how good is the program. It give indication, BUT always the main and true and real measure is the PLACEMENT after graduation..having said that, Duke MBA is better than Yale..so far..things may change..and BTW, placement factor is what made me very enthusiastic about INSEAD..and very excited  to see their placement report for 2011. their placement in 2010 is just incredible, NO single school can come close..93% of a class of 1000 employed with average salary $121000..thats unparalleled..

  • Guest

    INSEADvsALL

  • Guest

    INSEAD trashes all schools including HBS. HBS is total crap compared to INSEAD. The entire word dreams to go to INSEAD. INSEAD ppl become CEOs right after graduation, they speak 6 languages each, are winners in decathlon, and get unprecedented salaries. Moreover, they are immortals- shame on the highlanders!

    PS. Yale is total piece of crap compared to Duke. But since INSEAD is miles ahead of Duke, it is also miles ahead of Yale. But since INSEAD trashes HBS which>that Duke>Yale this implies that INSEAD trashes all schools.

  • Toomuchweed

    You need some medication there boy? It’s HBS > INSEAD and then HBS> Yale > Duke. 

  • Merticul

    HBS>Yale>Duke>top 15>INSEAD

  • Merticul

    IMD>LBS>INSEAD bitter truth

  • Astonished

    INSEAD is losing loads of ground in its MBA program. Ratings go down, reputation is deteriorating and costs are sky high. They realized it and they have launched a Master in Finance program: 
    http://www.insead.edu/media_relations/press_release/2012_master-in-finance.cfm  However, the problem is that is insanely expensive and you got to pay your accommodation yourself despite its modular format! Also they are getting into NYU Stern’s territory of excellent modular programs: The MSc in Risk management 
    http://www.stern.nyu.edu/programs-admissions/global-degrees/ms-risk-management-executives/global-network/student-profiles/index.htm and its MSc in Global Finance Program (check the spectacular profiles of people). These 2 NYU Stern programs are unparalleled. Notable is also the profile of this guy who is an INSEAD MBA: 
    http://es.linkedin.com/pub/luis-adão-da-fonseca/0/603/b35 who subsequently attended Stern. Also INSEAD is a Master in Finance but NOT an MSc degree. Its really astonishing that INSEAD, a supposedly strategy school is attempting to compete with other schools by trying to replicate their highly successful programs.

  • Guest

    No they don’t, but in all honesty, the survey polls students. It shows that a lot of CBS students, in general, are not realistic with their expectations. Read the comment first. 

    And in all honesty, Ross and Darden are not that far off from CBS. CBS is closer to Ross and Darden than it is to Wharton. 

  • paramia

    I understand INSEAD make you crazy :) it is expected ..

  • Confused…

    Are your own grammatical mistakes meant to be ironic or are you just a standard issue troll?

  • paramia

    IMD is quality program and very unique. It is not for everyone. all the ultra elite employers know IMD very well. It is the only school in the world that treat students as executives..However, INSEAD is much bigger in size and then broader alumni network..brand in MBA industry..in my opinion, the person who go to IMD is very confident one and very unique..but I can’t put it in comparison with INSEAD..It somewhat similar to Tuck..

  • AstonishedatAstonished

    So your claim of INSEAD losing loads of ground in its MBA program, deteriorating reputation and rating are completely baseless but your own opinion, which means nothing to everyone else. Stop stating your opinion and tell us what your bases of such an opinion are.

  • MerdiculRidicule

    I wouldn’t put INSEAD below Duke or other top 15 schools. Come on now.

  • Whatwhat

    Are you dumb? Selectivity means higher caliber students, which sooner than later translate to better careers, higher salaries, better reputation of the school, and eventually better ranking of the school.

  • Koolaid

    This is exactly like saying, Cornell>Wharton>HBS and telling the world that this is the truth…wake up! 

  • DartmouthRules

    Dartmouth is the oldest graduate business school and has a long tradition of sending its grads to everywhere throughout the world. It is not a regional school that only has an influence on Northeastern US. I understand INSEAD is very global but come on, claiming that Dartmouth is a regional school shows your lack of understanding of US bschools. Dartmouth is sure on part with HBS, Stanford and Wharton, and they are not just regional schools. INSEAD is surely a great internationally focused school but stop insulting other great US programs.

  • Believer……….

    @Critical thinker…….. please try to see the Bigger picture ………Dont try to point out petty Mistakes and doubt someone’s credibility ….. I think John and his folks are doing a pretty great job at keeping this site perfect and so informative…..

  • Guest

    LOL

  • Guest

    Lots and lots of butthurt CBS or soon to be CBS students here. Who cares, it’s just a ranking. 

  • Koolaid

    I disagree. CBS should be up there with Wharton, although the recent rankings do not show that. KKR and Berkshire Hathaway didn’t just create themselves. CBS was behind their makings.

  • Coronaz

    All the buzz about this freaking GMAT. It is defnitely true, that INSEAD is not putting too much focus on it.. so what. It is clear, that any Top B-School could fill up their classes with 750+ers, but they don’t? Also, for the GMAT scores to be indicative you should only consider the Q scores, when you compare a highly international school such as INSEAD, where you have 10% native english speakers max with US schools where you might have 50% plus.
    I really love the US, actually had a great time doing my masters at Georgia Tech. That said, with my score of 760 (yeah thanks!) I was happy to turn down 3 of your Top 7 US schools for INSEAD. If you want to stay in the US, a US B-School is certainly the best choice. However, the world is much much bigger than the US 😀

  • Coronaz

     I chose INSEAD over HBS, my friend :)

  • ChrisR

    Yup.  I believe the applicant pool at Yale SOM averages above a 700 GMAT and their are applicants with higher GMATs who are not even interviewed!

  • duke&wharton

    For your information, Fuqua has consistently been ranked higher than SOM, Duke Med is miles better than Yale Med, and the Pratt School of Engineering (the most improved engineering school in the nation) blows SEAS out of the water. Is Yale still a better school? Perhaps. But you should really throw some of your preconceived notions out of the window and do some actual research on the topic.

  • Sure

    Except according to the reports its IMD, not insead, has over 93% employed at above 121000.
    But we digress, because INSEAD has to be the best school. Otherwise it’s students might loose their identity completely, at least the identity they are trying to creat here on PnQ

  • sadiq

    Guys I would also like to point out that Darden UVA is a particularly good school that has produced the maximum number of CEOs as a percentage of student population and is a very highly respect MBA program at par with Harvard and Wharton. Infact Harvard with 1800 graduates is more like cattle class carrier whilst Darden with a 350 graduates is like cool cab.

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