Poets&Quants’ Top 50 Non-U.S. MBA Programs of 2012

London Business School recaptured its number one standing in Poets&Quants’ 2012 ranking of the top 50 non-U.S. MBA programs, slipping ahead of last year’s best school INSEAD which fell into second place.

The two leaders in MBA education outside the U.S. were followed by No. 3 IESE Business School and No. 4 IE Business School, both in Spain, No. 5 IMD in Switzerland and No. 6 HEC Paris. IESE and HEC both gained two places this year.

London, for years neck-and-neck with INSEAD as the best business school outside the U.S., had been named the best non-U.S. school in Poets&Quants’ inaugural ranking in 2010, only to be nudged out of first place by INSEAD last year. The school, which is in the midst of a major expansion, is increasingly attracting better students and faculty and is launching a massive fundraising campaign to bring its resources more in line with some of the elite U.S. business schools.


This year’s list–based on a composite of the four most influential rankings of global business schools–has 11 new entrants which range from No. 23 Mannheim Business School in Germany to No. 27 School of Business at the University of Hong Kong.

European business schools continue to dominate the list of the best non-U.S. MBA programs, with 14 of the top schools in the United Kingdom alone. But Canada makes a strong showing on the list with seven programs, including No. 9 York University’s Schulich School of Business, No. 11 Desautels Faculty of Management at McGill University, and No. 21 Sauder School of Business at the University of British Columbia. And Asia is slowly evolving into a powerhouse of business school education, with eight out of the 50 best MBA programs on the list led by No. 17 the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology (HKUST) and No. 18 China Europe International Business School.


Among the biggest winners on the 2012 list are the Warwick Business School in the U.K., which had the largest rise among the top 25, jumping 17 places to finish 16th from 33rd last year. The Rotterdam School of Management at Erasmus University rose ten places to place 19th, up from 29th in 2011. And HKUST moved up nine spots to rank 17th from 26th last year.

Who lost ground during this rankings year? The National University of Singapore’s business school fell six places, most among the top 25 schools, to 22nd place from 16th; Cambridge University’s Judge Business School, the Cranfield School of Management, and the Australian School of Business all fell five spots to 12th, 15th, and 25th, respectively.

This new P&Q list is a composite of four major MBA rankings published by The Financial Times, The Economist, Bloomberg BusinessWeek, and Forbes. All told, some 68 schools that appeared on one or more of those four lists were considered for the P&Q top 50. The Financial Times and The Economist publish global MBA rankings, with more complete listings of schools outside the U.S. BusinessWeek and Forbes, on the other hand, publish separates lists of the best international schools that are far more limited.

BusinessWeek only ranked 19 non-U.S. schools this year, while Forbes ranks a dozen two-year MBA programs outside the U.S. and a dozen one-year MBA programs. In contrast, the FT has 47 non-U.S. business schools on its 2012 list of the top 100 global schools, while The Economist has 52 of its top 100 global schools outside the U.S.


The ranking takes into account a massive wealth of quantitative and qualitative data captured in these major lists, from surveys of corporate recruiters, MBA graduates, deans and faculty publication records to median GPA and GMAT scores of entering students as well as the latest salary and employment statistics of alumni.

Combining the four most influential rankings doesn’t eliminate the flaws in each system, but it does significantly diminish them. When an anomaly pops on one list due to either faulty survey technique or biased methodology, bringing all the data together tends to suppress it. So the composite index tones down the noise in each of these five surveys to get more directly at the real signal that is being sent.

  • RangersNYC

    I’m not Homerun dude, but my guess is that Wharton just wasn’t a good fit personally. Philly vs Boston/San Fran/London? Those 3 cities win. Honestly, take these posts with a grain of salt. You will get two types of people: Those who really like a program or those who really hate one. 🙂

    But, I think the above breakdown is pretty accurate (although LBS has a low GMAT average). But, the caliber of student at H/S/B/L are equivalent – no doubt.

    Good luck Rohit!

  • Kevin Smith

    the competition is on another level??? this is so idiotic i don’t even know that to say, do you really think it’s harder to get a job at McK in Pittsburg or Cleveland than it is in London or Paris??? I’m sorry but not only do many LBS and INSEAD grads make it to US MBB offices, but the quality level and competition for European jobs is pretty much on the same level. Of course you’ll see less competition for smaller regional offices, but the same hold true for the US as well. Outside of NYC, SF & CHI, many MBB need to be VERY proactive to recruit because finding good talent in those regionactually isn’t that easy. although i had no intention to go into consulting and did not even apply, i was invited to first round for my local office (ie. where i’m from) by by all 3 of MBB…

  • sri krishna

    I have got a GMAT score of 630, Toefl yet to write, Bachelors- 9.13/10, 3 years of work ex., good academic credentials and recommendations.

    What can be my target and safe side good B schools with 1 year MBA program?…Thanks in advance..

  • Prmr

    I find this debate on rankings to be rather funny to be honest.. I am at INSEAD and have friends in all top 10 US schools (the company i work with sends quite a big number of people to b school every year). What i have noticed based on 2-3 years of talking with students at various schools is that HSW are clearly in group 1 with very little except personal preferences to differentiate between them. this is purely due to the number of PE/VC jobs up for grabs at these schools. Kellogg, MIT, Columbia, Booth, INSEAD, LBS form the next group with rankings often moving up and down and people again choosing schools based on personal preferences. Having compared employment reports the percentage of people in bulge bracket+consulting is more or less the same at all these places. At the end of the day, if you are good you will be able to pursue all of your dreams irrespective of which of these schools you really go to.

  • Rohit

    Why not Wharton?

  • Anon

    Incredible stats but not surprising. London Business school is in the club and top 10 in the world. One would expect such stats given the school’s world famous reputation. I suspect these numbers will be even higher in the future. Nice job LBS.

  • Chiara Maldovich

    New to business school world but learn wonderful things about LBS although can’t say good or bad things yet since have not been yet in campus. Also discover bad thing about Columbia, Wharton, Stanford, Tuck, Kellogg, INSEAD.

    My opinions, Columbia b school students is not team players but out to get each other. Wharton, Stanford and INSEAD are elitist. These schools students think they run world and met not smart people. Tuck and Kellogg are filled with rejected students from Wharton, HBS, Stanford and the other top 10 US and top 3 foreign schools. Seems like schools for lesser students. Don’t want to sound mean just observations and from conversations with alums, students, and administrators. Will not be applying to schools which I report negative observations.

  • CE

    Congrats rodrig!! I got into LBS, INSEAD, IMD, Wharton, Tuck, and Kellogg. Very hard decision but chose LBS. Was particularly impressed with our class, or at least the ones I met during admits weekend in early June. Where you there? Can’t wait till the fall!!!

  • Homerunyep

    After reading these posts, I can definitively say that I WILL
    NOT be applying to INSEAD. More like INSAD. Such negativity coming from INSAD supporters. Here is my final list of schools after exhaustive research:
    Reach – Harvard, Stanford, Booth, London Business School
    Target – Kellogg, Tuck, Fuqua
    Safety – UCLA, Stern, Yale.

    Wish me luck. Excited for upcoming app process!!!

  • FutureLBSMBA

    LBS is one of the most well-rounded schools in the world (probably top 3). The business school is excellent in most academic disciplines, great size of ~400, very highly ranked (see Wikipedia page for specifics as that is how I learned about the school’s rankings or I think the P&Q LBS page would have this info), excellent recruiting stats, international study body and faculty, heart of one of the world’s most important cities, and an accomplished and loyal alumni base across the world – again ACROSS THE WORLD (stress this for a reason)!

    What more would you want from a b school? The only 2 schools that would stir up any debate for me if I were choosing business schools right now would be Harvard and Stanford. Truthfully, it wouldn’t be a clear answer to me because beyond academics, recruiting, and rankings, the personal experience is critical. I feel like living in London for a while would be a great life experience — one that would allow me to personally grow — one that I could definitely leverage as a professional to gain a competitive advantage against top US b school peers. Ultimately b school is a personal choice but LBS jumps out at me.

    My Two cents — some may disagree. I’m ok with that. For the record, I am biased. I will be applying to b school next fall and LBS is my top choice. But you can see my reasons are objective.

  • Ricardo Puleanas

    IE is way better than IESE. Have a friend from college (mid west US school) that attends IESE and is a huge dumba**. IE > IESE. Rankings are only one aspect. Trust me on this…if people like my friend make up the class that’s bad news

  • Javier Macias Rodriguez Polamo

    Sorry meant I’m at Stanford not GSB 🙂 Would love to go to GSB though 🙂

  • Javier Macias Rodriguez Polamo

    Agree with Breaking Good. I am at Stanford GSB right now. Stanford and MIT are best but honestly you can achieve your startup goals anywhere (probably don’t need b school to do this). Move out west to Bay Area and you’ll learn by doing – b school won’t teach this skill set. London vs INSEAD, I go London because of the city. Both are incredible schools, but London is one of the most powerful cities in this world. Pays to be in the action.

  • BreakingGood

    HI MBB, I think both LBS and INSEAD are great for entrepreneurship. I may side with LBS not because it has a stronger entrepreneurship focus but because there are several LBS affiliated angel investors and London itself is a great hub for many venture capital provides and entrepreneurs. INSEAD isn’t really in Paris – it is outside of it. Both are great and you’ll be able to accomplish your goals if you are one who takes calculated risks.

    Honestly, the best two schools in the world for entrepreneurship are Stanford and MIT Sloan. You may want to check out ESADE or HKUST also if you are open to international.

    IE has a great reputation but definitely behind London Business School, INSEAD, and IMD.

  • MBB Brazil

    Hello every one. What your opinion about the entreprenership view between LBS and Insead? And what dou you think about the IE reputation?

  • Mike Wang

    LOL!!!!! How do I flag this as the “dumbest thing I’ve ever read”? All user is the ability to thumbs up and thumbs down….

  • Mike Wang

    Plus, 1 year programs blow. Why would someone want to cut their b school experience in half? Those looking for international flave while preserving the 2-year American b school structure while attending a top 10 school in the world – hands down London Business S.

  • Pablo

    Nonsense! INSEAD is the best school in the whole wide world. Better than Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, LBS, Columbia, booth, Kellogg, etc

  • AllIDoIsWinWinWinNoMatterWhat

    Also worth noting is the progress that both London business school and INSEAD have made in producing high impact leaders compared to other top 7 US business schools (some of which have 50-60 years of a head start). I know that LBS opened its doors in mid 1960s while INSEAD opened in the mid 1950s. Both of these schools have bright futures. I’d argue both are top 5 in the world…kudos to them on their successes so far! On a different topic, don’t get me started on the stagnancy of certain top 10 US b schools…I tell you America will lose its competitive advantage to the world very soon — if it hasn’t already happened yet.

  • Brett

    Focusing on actual MBA experience (i.e, outside of school), London business school wins. London rocks!! Did a term there when I was at Kellogg. I wish I would have gone there for my MBA. Students were so smart and international in point of views – loved it!! Highly recommend LBS to Americans looking at top 7 US b schools. Knowing what I know now, international experience is invaluable (not just a term abroad but a meaningful amount of time)…

  • BigRed

    I currently attend Cornell Johnson. I worked at Google before my MBA and interned at BCG this summer. I second everything Johnny mentioned, but from a personal standpoint, I like the London Business School people way better. Compared to INSEAD folks I was exposed to, LBS folks were so humble and accomplished and cool. LBS wins this debate in my book. But, I still think Cornell is the best of all (disclaimer: may be biased about Cornell). ;D

  • dinghy

    indeed impressive. Better stats than a good chunk of the top 7 US business schools.

  • Johnny Fritzer

    Yes it does….good luck to you.

  • BigSwingingD

    Completely agree with both of Johnny’s posts. I-banker here from Moelis. Although in finance world, London B School is the better of the two schools and top 5 I. The world (maybe even top 2-3). hmmmmmm. Here is my order for finance: Wharton, Chicago, Columbia/LBS for 3rd spot.
    Anyways, waiting for books sucks, eh, Johnny? I better check with our PPS on my books………………………….

  • Johnny Fritzer

    Oh and last point: LBS and INSEAD are widely considered “Harvard and Stanford” outside of the US. Not saying which one is Harvard or Stanford because, no one aside from a prospective student, cares. 😉

  • Johnny Fritzer

    Figure I’d share my two cents on this topic even though I already did in various other posts on this page. First off, I am a McKinsey consultant who works in an Australian office. I graduated with an MBA from the Australian Graduate School of Management (AGSM). I work with post-MBA McKinsey consultants globally, and such consultants graduated from the world’s best business schools, naturally. I have interacted with LBS and INSEAD grads. I would have to say that LBS has a stronger brand value, but just by a little bit. Both are definitely considered peer schools and in the M7 in the US (if they had to be ranked side by side with American schools). I think Harvard, Stanford, Wharton are the top 3 in the world (in this order) and then Chicago, Kellogg, MIT, Columbia are the next group (not necessarily in that order). LBS and INSEAD are in the Chicago-Columbia family (not going to rank that 2nd family because depending on the subject, one school could be better than the other. Many students from LBS and INSEAD had offers from these top 7 US schools but chose to go to LBS and INSEAD because of international diversity/experience.

    Regarding LBS v. INSEAD, I think LBS brand value is slightly higher due to one main reason: it is located in London, UK. The two countries that have the most “higher learning” institutions are the US and UK. Because LBS is in the UK, it gets that edge as a UK school. Plus, being in London, all major executives in London have heard of LBS because of the school’s proximity to their companies/London offices.

    I think the caliber of graduate from LBS is on par with INSEAD and this distinction is a minor point. That being said, to add to this debate, yes, LBS has a stronger global brand value (including in the United States) compared with INSEAD. From a recruiter’s standpoint (from McKinsey’s standpoint), both are on par with each other without a doubt, so it doesn’t matter at all. If you are good at LBS or INSEAD and want to be at McKinsey, you have a great shot.

    John, excellent website by the way…just found it tonight…very entertaining…love reading these posts as I wait for presentations to print…keep posting everyone, good luck, and cheers!! 🙂

  • Johnny Fritzer

    John: First off, any way you can get rid of having to provide email address for each post? I feel weird. I provided my original one for the 1st post I made, but I really don’t want to so honestly I’ve been providing “not real” email addresses…anyway just a suggestion on that for us identity conscious folks…

    Agree with Edward and Phil P. I went to Australian Graduate School of Management and now work for McKinsey in Australia. I have many colleagues in London and US offices (such as NYC and SF). LBS and INSEAD are definitely M7. H/S/W still remain on top, but LBS and INSEAD follow very closely. Hard to compete with H/S/W because of the rich history in being higher institutions of learning.

    Comparing LBS and INSEAD to these schools isn’t fair given that H/S/W have over 50 years of operations to churn out leaders not to mention huge class sizes (well not Stanford). LBS and INSEAD have both churned out high impact leaders in business, government, nonprofit, etc. Both are without a doubt M7 and without a doubt top 10 in the world.

  • Johnny Fritzer

    Tuck may be “M8” but LBS and INSEAD and without a doubt above Tuck. Tuck really shouldn’t be a top 10 US business school, completely honestly. I could name 5 other “non top 10” business schools that should be above Tuck and with strong supporting data.

  • Johnny Fritzer

    Hey heyholetsgo: LBS and INSEAD would probably be a tie from a rank standpoint (maybe LBS is one notch higher) because both are fantastic schools.

    I think H/S/W are in one “family” and then Chicago/Kellogg/Columbia/Sloan are in “another family.” LBS and INSEAD would be “adopted” by Chicago/Kellogg/Columbia/Sloan family. Both are considered M7 schools in terms of student quality, professors, recruiters, employment, prestige, resources, relationships, impact on world, etc. etc. Many Americans, I found, choose LBS and INSEAD because they wanted a truly international program while really no US business school can provide such diversity.

    The Americans that go to London Business often had offers from peer schools such as Kellogg, Chicago, Columbia, etc. but chose LBS (or INSEAD) for one reason or another. This is my two cents having conversed with post-MBA McKinsey consultants that went to all these top schools (I am currently a McKinsey consultant in Australia, at the moment).

  • Pierre

    I go to INSEAD and it sucks (sorry Lara/Nora). Nothing to do there and people arent very cool….go to a school in a big city…only advice to those applying. Doesn’t even have to be LBS but any school in city. If you want prestige, great career opps but pay a lot to live go to London Business. But i guess all cities are expensive so that is moot point…INSEAD vs LBS, LBS wins.

  • BornInTheUSA

    Got into Tuck, UCLA, Duke, Darden, and LBS. Choosing LBS. Why? Data points. Look at rankings (global and just European schools) and you’ll see that LBS is either 1 or 2 in Europe and top 10 (really top 7) in every global b school ranking. Not to beat a dead horse…but someone mentioned the employment report. Very impressive.

    So, while we can have a pissing war (as Tube mentions below) with INSEAD, I find that pointless. INSEAD also has great stats and is a wonderful school. Funny enough INSEADers, we will probably be working side-by-side in London at all the major companies…so, we better get used to each other 🙂 I didn’t apply to INSEAD because if I was going to be in Europe, I wanted to be in a major city. I feel that networking outside of LBS will be meaningful in a city such as London as opposed to wherever INSEAD is (35 miles outside of Paris is all I know). Anyway, both are great – good luck to future applicants, but if you get into LBS and INSEAD, clearly go to London Business School :)!!!

  • Phil P.

    Agree with Edward…went to Columbia GSB. London Business School (LBS) has an excellent reputation in every area of business. Is every LBS grad a rockstar? No! Is every HBS grad a rockstar? No! Is every Columbia grad a rockstar? No! Is every Wharton grad a rockstar? No!! I think you get my point here…the school doesn’t make these students great. They were great before they already went to business school….

    LBS is easily in the same family as the top 5 business schools in the US. I know for a fact that Columbia and LBS offer a dual EMBA…goes to show you that even a school like Columbia GSB values LBS enough to offer a joint degree with them…

    Not to mention, many of the top 5 offer joint networking events with LBS and also INSEAD (another good program abroad).

  • TuckHanover

    Nikhul, this is one of the funniest (but true) posts I’ve read on a public forum. LOL! I have to say I really like your “so seize the opportunity and stop being” line. hahahahahahahah….well said…

  • TuckHanover

    LBS 2012 Employment report:
    McKinsey – 36
    BCG – 31
    Bain – 11
    Booz – 9
    ATK – 3
    Accenture – 2

    Monitor – 2
    Oliver Wyman – 2

    IDK Nora – seems very impressive to me for a class of roughly 400…

  • TuckHanover

    Re LBS: location definitely helps…so does caliber of students and faculty. On par with the top 7 US business schools…only bad thing about LBS from peers that have studied there on exchange: the facilities suck badly…they need to expand! Other than this, amazing school and excellent academic experience…

  • Edward

    John, interesting post. I graduated from Booth in 2005, and I have to disagree about LBS. All the grads I work with in finance are extremely competent. I would characterize LBS as definitely a top 10 b school in the world and probably head to head with Chicago/Kellogg/Columbia. Based on my interactions with my American colleagues who attended LBS, it is a self-selecting school. Those who value true international diversity choose LBS over American schools. Those same friends that chose LBS had the option of other top 5 US b schools…

    Anyway, I would put LBS in the same family as Booth/Kellogg/Columbia. Regardless, thanks for the analysis. I enjoy reading your articles and think you offer an invaluable perspective. Great work!

  • TuckHanover

    Hi Everyone, I am John and I attend the Tuck School at Dartmouth. London Business School is an incredible school. I would argue that it is even stronger than INSEAD – not even that both schools are on par. The problem with INSEAD is that it is just a consulting school. LBS, on the other hand, is strong in consulting, finance, corporate, and even marketing! Those Americans who want a truly international experience at a top 10 business school in the world – go to London Business School instead of INSEAD. My honest opinion…

    But for the record, I AM NOT SAYING THAT INSEAD IS NOT A GOOD SCHOOL!!! I am just saying that I personally think that LBS is better…I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion….good luck to all applying now/soon.

  • toddwriter

    While destination-based business schools and MBA programs
    remain the norm, in the US and abroad, global business and truly global MBA
    programs are beginning to challenge our easy association of “fixed” with
    quality. Then MIT, now USC professor Henry Jenkins wrote a seminal piece in the
    of Higher Education
    several years ago predicting the future
    for graduate education of all kinds. Jenkins suggests that access to a
    global network has to be considered into any value equation. Pepperdine’s
    Graziadio School offered some early examples of program
    fitting a new paradigm of access and network building across
    boundaries, physical, cultural and otherwise. University of Manchester (UK),
    through the Manchester Business School, gives its 3,500 global
    unprecedented portability — shared faculty and one price across seven global
    MBA centers (Manchester, Dubai, Singapore, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sao
    Paulo and Miami.) Forbes
    ranks Manchester
    second among international schools for ROI. It’s more than where or what ranking — it’s also how well you can take advantage of program design and access to people.

  • Bschoolnextyear

    Oh and I am in the US (Chicago)…probably would have been a good thing to mention 😀

  • Bschoolnextyear

    I’m def not the guru on this topic but never heard of INSEAD until this article but def know about LBS…by I’m new to this whole world. So take my opinion with a grain of salt

  • Tube

    Interesting. Definitely a lot of anti-London sentiment on this forum. Probably because we dominated INSEAD at the games at HEC 😉

    No in all seriousness, I currently love LBS and so do most of my peers. I’m sure INSEAD is bomb too. Aggressive INSEADERs – I come in peace!! :). No need for a pissing war. I wish you all the very best with your future plans!!

  • HBSSectionK

    Abu, many of us at HBS love LBS too!!! 🙂

  • HBSSectionK

    I can vouch for this…I was deciding between London Business School, Wharton, HBS, and Kellogg. My decision came down to LBS and Harvard, and I picked Harvard. But, I have old McKinsey colleagues that were in a similar predicament that chose LBS or Booth or Kellogg over HBS…just depends on WHAT YOU WANT!!! Seriously – after a certain ranking (top 10), you are “in the club.” All of the schools I was considering are top 10 schools in the entire world…

  • HBSSectionK

    Lara, do you scour these boards and try to put down LBS every chance you get? Something tells me you got rejected from there…I read another forum where you are basically saying the same thing…haha and it’s hysterical how you are in disbelief. Here is a math equation for you:

    LBS + INSEAD = peers

    And these two schools are peers with the M7 in the US. Yes, truth, we are one big happy family (or unhappy in your case)…

  • HBSSectionK

    I agree with Katie…LBS does have a stronger brand in the US (from a recognition standpoint), but I will say that both LBS and INSEAD are amazing schools…

  • Sven ivanson

    INSEAD sucks D. Students seem so entitled.

  • Abu sneyanza

    Completely agreed on LBS….in private equity now We love London b school…

  • Peter Griffin

    One thing to note, many LBS and INSEADers make it to US MBB. Just may not be immediate because of location. Both are considered M7 by US standards – especially london business school. I go to tuck by the way (and disclaimer, I am biased. I so badly want to do an exchange at LBS….)

  • LBSBloke

    Cheers mate…good choice. Was in the same predicament last year with Columbia, Wharton, Cornell, and booth. Picked LBS because of the people. Amazing bunch.

  • Rodrig

    Got into LBS today!!! My final count is booth, tuck, INSEAD, LBS, darden. Extremely tough choice, but I am picking London. They are on a role. Plus money helps 😉

    Good luck to all!!

  • Katie

    Disagree! On what grounds? I’ve met many amazing London alums. I know plenty of senior managers (in the US) that have no idea what INSEAD is. My argument: both are the best outside of the US and are peers of Booth, Wharton, MIT,Kellogg, Columbia. Both are fantastic schools. Pick your school based on people, size, location, etc.

  • Katie

    Wow. Wow. INSEAD is full of elitist douches. Plutus, you win. Maria and Carlos sound like stereotypical b school douche. I’m
    embarrassed that Wharton has a partnership with INSEAD….we should just stick to LBS. At least they are humble.

  • Katie

    For the record, I go to Wharton. INSEAD does not have a better reputation than LBS. Can’t understand why there are so many haters. While I love Wharton, I wish I would have applied to LBS. I plan to do an exchange there. Interested students – rankings don’t lie. LBS surpasses INSEAD in every ranking and is definitely considered a top 10 business school IN THE WORLD. As nikhul (sorry for misspelling your name in earlier posts), INSEADERS – get over yourselves. The one thing I will say: LBS peeps where are you? Why is it that non LBSers are getting your backs???? lol.

  • Katie

    Nikhil, totally right. I currently go to Wharton and LBS is by and large considered a peer school. INSEAD is good too, but I think in the US LBS has a stronger reputation. Plus INSEADs location sucks. Not in Paris people!! Don’t be fooled.

  • Nikhul

    Haha HAHA, from who’s perspective??? IMD through IESE are NOT better schools than LBS…you sound so stupid right now.

    It is LBS and INSEAD and everyone else….hands down. Not even a debate. And LBS and INSEAD are often compared to the “Elite 8” in the US as peer schools. That’s how the business community views it. I used to recruit at the Analyst/Associate level at Morgan Stanley’s I-bank, so yes, I am in a position to make this assertion.

  • Nikhul

    LBSer, why the fight man? Let Faria make his dumba*s comments. Fighting only makes it seem like you have to defend LBS (when you don’t). Let the “product” speak for itself.

    He must have been rejected from LBS….if that’s the case, Faria, and you are at INSEAD stop holding a grudge! You are a great school, so seize the opportunity and stop being a pu*sy. But what pisses me off the most is when some clueless prospective reads false info…stop doing that. Both schools are excellent! And, I went to Harvard by the way – for those interested in my pedigree.

  • Nikhul

    Lara, this is the dumbest thing I have ever read. I am sorry to be rude. Mr. John Byrnes – you should censor idiotic comments such as this because poor prospectives read stuff like this and make decisions. I guess the power of the internet…LBS is strong in finance only? Have you read their latest employment reports? I am pretty sure it is not a lie when they placed EVEN MORE in consulting this year compared to i-banking/finance. But, here’s the thing, I am not arguing with you that INSEAD isn’t great – it is! At the end of the day, someone should pick a school that feels right. Both are VERY DIFFERENT schools…I know because I’ve visited buddies at both. Nonetheless, all of my buddies at both schools love it. Prospectives, don’t listen to any of these idiots posting (I guess that makes me one too, ironically). Go visit the schools, read the employment reports, and see if you like the people. You can’t go wrong with LBS or INSEAD. My vote would be LBS primarily because London rocks and IMHO, people know LBS better than INSEAD because it is under the U of London umbrella…my two cents. People can disagree if they want but this is coming from someone who used to be in finance.

  • Nikhul

    Nora, get over yourself. It sounds like you and Faria are classmates probably at INSEAD. LBS places extremely well in consulting just like every other top 10 global business school. Stop trying to argue something so stupid. INSEAD has a class of around a 1000 while LBS hovers at around 400. Did you size adjust before making your argument? And, no I don’t have affiliation with LBS or INSEAD. I just hate reading stupid arguments – such as the ones you and Faria are making. Get over yourselves!

  • Nikhul

    Faria, I used to work in investment banking and have tons of friends in MBB. I agree that INSEAD is a great school but so is LBS. US top MBA programs (Wharton, Booth, Kellogg, Columbia, Fuqua) wouldn’t partner with LBS if it wasn’t a good school. Traditionally, LBS has always been strong in finance but if you look at their top recruiters (recently), literally every major blue chip company recruits there. Instead of trying to win a rather pointless argument, just be happy that LBS and INSEAD are peers. Both schools are wonderful and if someone gets a chance to go to either one, he/she should do it! But, regarding location, LBS wins – sorry.

  • Party Pooper

    @ DeShaw and Joe Willis, what you smoking? IESE has a higher average GMAT than IE, has a pickier admissions process (accepts 1 in 8 as opposed to 1 in 4 at IE) and places a higher percentage of graduates at 3 months (95% vs 92%). So if you’re calling IESE students average, then you guys must be scraping the left-overs out of the stupid barrel. But tell yourself what you want…. (by the way, to get this data I had to scroll all the way down the Economist list where IE was ranked 22)

  • sethy

    It seems the best way to get into some, any of these, Ivyesque schools, aside from stellar undergraduate work is to start your own business. It circumvents inane tools such as standardized tests, affirmative action elements and the like. Build something successful with your own hands and they will all want you as a diverse asset to their roster. Its small, but we connect big things at my magazine http://www.the-american-times.com . This will be my b-school application.

  • Joe Willis

    @ Prince – I would agree,after my living in both cities. The IE program is fulfilling and rigorous and as a whole more fulfilling and rivals INSEAD/LBS in brand equity in years to come – would compare it to LSE in the UK. IESE is redundant in brand value and banks on its history and barcelona location – is what Imperial, Kings in UK are today. Most of the rankings factor in post MBA Salary – which is a point of major contention. Both programs are good nevertheless..

  • DeShaw Prince

    I think IE is better IESE. i have visited both, the year long IE program is superior, faculty, diversity etc. IESE attracts second rung students, with average academic backgrounds.

  • Chris

    What does the p in h/s/p? normally I see h/s/w, where the w is for Wharton.

  • Chris

    Yeah Carlos… Actually you’re the one who is judging. Plutus is only pointing out that senseless pride like shown by some other members on is board does not contribute to the conversation. And btw he is not comparing it to lower ranked schools, but one on par.
    Also INSEAD is not unique in partnering with us schools and pioneering. E.g. IESE was the first to partner with the us schools, and the first to introduce a bilingual program. IE has been pioneering recently in entrepreneurship programs.
    No one is arguing that INSEAD isn’t a great school, just that that disregarding rankings because you believe your school is the best and telling everyone else they have to agree is… Well like Plutus said ‘a big turn off’

  • Chris

    You know if we really want to get away from anyone’s ‘personal’ point of view – yours or their – and want to get the business communities view you can look up QS listing which ranks schools purely on how they are rated by recruiters and the business community. Also business week rankings take a heavy emphasis on recruiter opinions.
    Having said that, I view a school like IMD over INSEAD in the business world because of the higher job placement rate and higher average salary among IMD grads, so….

  • Canadian MBA

    Hello John,


    How good is McGill MBA for international students? I understand that it is a traditional MBA and McGill is one of the best universities in the world. Montreal is a bi-lingual city – French and English. Does this hamper the career prospects of students who are not fluent at French?

    Thank you.

  • Double degree programs are a good option. Spend a year at two schools and get two MBA degrees. Peking University has programs with a number of top schools, including MIT, York, Texas, Washington, NUS, ESSEC and WHU.

  • Solomon

    John wakeup and smell the coffee, UBC rigged it’s FT ranking this year, alumni were contacted and ”told the implications of the ranking and what it means to their future and Sauder and to put the school in a positive light ”. I am from the class surveyed and it is embellished.

  • Sky

    Shouldn’t it be M8 instead of M7

    harvard stanford tuck booth kellog sloan columbia wharton = 8

    LBS and INSEAD then make up the top 10 in the world…..what people need to keep in mind about business schools such as LBS, Rotman Stern is location location location…being located in financial hubs is such a huge advantage….thats why people from singapore management university ho kong UST get placed in big multinationals and work their wayup…..that was the model on which booth built its brand and has done so more successfully than any other school… even rotman has a similar vibe….universityof illinois – a top 5 enigneering school but an average b school succesffully palces a good no. of candidates into chicagos top finance firms like scottrade , huron , etc..i personally know 3 people from city univeristy of new york who got placed as associates in blackstone and are now vice presidents….location might not take AWAY anything from a top school like TUCK but it certainly adds tremendous value ….

    take a school like rotman for example….its universal rank is about 30-40….non american rank is about top 10…but its in the 3rd largest economic hub in north america…and is a feeder to the big 5 canadian banks and others…plus international students graduate with a green card….that is a huge huge huge benefit

  • Sky

    ISB is rubbish…700 people….70% from same IT backgrounds..60% placements back into IT……no diversity barely any women..its not a business school…its a degree granting institute….

  • yuku

    Some idiots? Judging from the comments on this forum it seems to accept quite a large number of idiots, which seem to suffer from quite a substantial inferiority complex.

  • Plutus

    Agreed and well said. INSEAD probably has the better reputation of the two schools and hence better opportunities.

  • CharlesIII

    Both London Business School and INSEAD are the best in europe and definitely within the top 10 in the world. However, as a brand and more global recognition and hence opportunities, I believe INSEAD is the best.

  • sethy

    It seems Parisian hubris/romanticism has permeated the student body.

  • Niall

    No they don’t.

  • George

    Do you expect an american publication or editor to praise a non-american business school? every one in the global recruiting and hr industry consider insead and london as good as harvard and wharton, yet mr byrne couldn’t admit this fact.

  • James

    But this just doesn’t make sense… the recruiters in Singapore or Hong Kong are not the same recruiters in London or Paris. So there are different recruiters no matter where you go! I never understood this “recruiters” based explanation. It would be better to just design a methodology that normalizes for these differences.

  • FGTH

    why there is no details on the profiles?

  • tomy

    look insead always accept some idiots in its classes, i strongly advice u to apply -;)

  • plutus

    Maybe, maybe not. Some on here are arguing that INSEAD is equivalent to HBS, which has a yield of ~90% (as does Stanford GSB). INSEAD is about on par with CBS (whose yield is 71%) – a school that has had a lot of bad press in recent years (scandals, wall street ties, etc.)


    So you may be right, maybe these comments don’t turn off applicants. Maybe they do. It is my opinion that comments such as these would turn off applicants, and I am not basing it off of and hard data – I will give you that much. But yield rates are not a good indicator. Whether or not people choose to apply after doing online research and coming across forums such as these would be the appropriate indicator, and those figures obviously don’t exist.

  • Fred

    Honestly, and specially in consulting, they actually do.

  • maria

    I disagree in regard that insane in comments is turning off applicants. INSEAD has one of the highest yield rate, around 75%. and I do think that the applicant who build his/her decision on forums and comments is definitely not a top school’s student.

  • Plutus

    I have no problem with INSEAD, and it is a great school. But all schools have their own strengths. You are entirely missing my point. I have not attacked or put down INSEAD as a school. Rather, I was merely highlighting the insane degree that some of INSEADs fans go to in order to support their school – and in turn they end up turning off applicants.

    If you think it is fair for me to highlight the benefits of school then I will. INSEAD has an unrivaled percent of students that go into consulting, the school places very well in Europe and has a widely international alumni, it has an excellent partnership with Wharton, and the school’s campus in Singapore shows its commitment to the growing Asian markets.

    Once again, my comments were in response to ridiculous claims of INSEAD fans, but not against the school itself.

  • heyholetsgo

    Ohhh nooo, “Patrick” on the internet holds a grudge against me 😀
    First of all, I am not a nervous man, that’s why I took offense in the “boy” comment in the first place. Your male centric view of the world is as obvious as your European centric view about universities. I do not try to scare others and I don’t know when I supposedly did this. Your tone is at least as aggressive, considering that I have been quoting mostly facts throughout the conversation.

    Anyways, Oxbridge, INSEAD and LBS are great schools by any standard. However, I don’t think they are comparable to the top of the pop in the US and the data I cited supports this statement. Now listen to me or just don’t…

  • Vishesh

    I think this ranking is fair enough. It somewhat in align with the public image of the good business schools eithier in america, europe or asia. I can’t understand though why some people are so sensitive about rank #1, 2, or 3. as long as the school in good place say in top 5 or top 10, thats excellent position and I don’t think one place or two is gonna hurts.

  • Patrick

    why you are always angry, aggressive, and nervous man in your discussion?! you know this isn’t democratic. why you try to scare others from talking to you!? although I am a boy, by gender category, but you look like using it in a bad way. I’ll not forgive you for that!

  • heyholetsgo

    As a matter of fact I am European and my point is that the US talent pool has 7 billion people because US schools attract the best students from all over the world. Although I find Ivy Legacy admissions disgusting, Oxbridge takes this to a whole different level. Oxbridge is full of over privileged rich kids, who went to Eton and other prep schools. There is tons of research that the cronyism in Oxbridge is far greater than at Ivies or Grande Ecoles… Cambridge and Oxford are also nowhere near US schools in terms of overall selectivity, not on a grad level and certainly not on an undergrad level. In terms of research, the Shanghai ranking shows the superiority of the US schools and I don’t have the time to go into details or every subject in particular. Oxbridge is as much en par with H/Y/P as INSEAD is en par with M7 schools. If you want to play in the big league, come to the US, EU.. boy.

  • Ammy

    well thats explain it. you are in consultancy but not an INSEAD alumni. I can see the frustration and how tough is to make it to partner with all those INSEADers ;))))

  • Carlos

    why don’t you like insead anyway? you know it has credits of being the first european b school, right? it invented the one year mba, right? many top american schools adopted insead aspiration in multiculturalism and in the last decade insead reversed the way and sent professors and deans to top us schools. why you trying to show it as comparable to LBS or any other lower ranked b school. if you have fair judgement, and not biased, you see that Harvard, Stanford, Kellogg, and INSEAD share same alumni database and contacts. do you think they do this for nothing?!

  • Patrick

    Oxbridge are not compared to Harvard or Stanford!! really?! this statement disapprove automatically your credibility. even harvard itself say they are on similar par. Cambridge in particular is ahead of harvard in pure science. Imperial College London is ahead of Yale, and Harvard in engineering. Infact, engineering education at those two schools is rubbish. btw, I saw you in all your posts hate of all things not american! I’d remind you that there are 6.7 Billion pobulation out there. there are world outside US.. boy.

  • Plutus

    Nothing bothers me if someone is a proud alumni – I know I am. But two things: First, when you feel that you have to tear other schools down to bring your school up, then there is a problem. Second, and as I stated in my previous post, the INSEAD grads on these forums obviously have a chip on their shoulder. It isn’t the fact that they are supporting their school, it is the ridiculous assertions made. A quick scan shows…

    Doma, when arguing INSEADs MBB numbers to measure a school “It is clearly the best measure ever” – tens, if not hundreds, of measures exist; ‘clearly the best measure’ is a ridiculous statement.

    Faria, “no one really choose it [LBS] over INSEAD.” – statement is immediately disproved by a subsequent poster

    Lara “but LBS is strong in finance only, thus it could be good school for
    someone want to be financial analyst or so, but to produce a global
    entrepreneur, to generate a global CEO, to produce the international
    leader, those things are in INSEAD, and that fact what sets INSEAD apart
    from the competition and away ahead of London School of Finance!” – really? really? LBS is for finance only? I agree that INSEAD does a good job at producing general managers, but LBS does much more than just produce financiers.

    Sali “Except INSEAD, I agree. In europe, they look to INSEAD as a head to head to Harvard.” – Are these comments coming from the twilight zone? I am sure there are some Europeans with this belief, but I would put good money that the vast majority would vehemently disagree.

    One more note, when you look at many of these comments, many have similar grammatical errors and tone. I would bet that some or several of these INSEAD supporters are really just one person.

  • heyholetsgo

    As MBB staffs regional offices locally it doesn’t make ANY sense to use it as a measure. In Europe, LBS and INSEAD are the top business schools feeding consultants into European MBB offices. LBS and INSEAD alumni applying for MBB Europe do not compete with M7 alumni applying to MBB in the US. Trust me, the competition is on another level. To quote Frank Sinatra, if you can make it in the US you can make it anywhere, but the same does not hold true for Europe.

    Further, I think it is offensive to all other industries attracting talent (and entrepreneurship), that MBB is thought of as the “gold standard.” To get in, you have to be able to solve a case study. Big deal…. That’s a very one dimensional measure of achievement and can be learned within a month. I don’t need to go to business school to be good at that… Moreover, the difference between people getting MBB offers and not getting MBB is subjective and sometimes non-existent (considering that case study math is on the level of 3rd graders and most “out of the box answers” have been read in “case in point”)

  • heyholetsgo

    Yes, of course European programs are up there. As John said, they would probably make the top 15, maybe even 10. However, the gap between a Top 15 school and M7 is huge, and then there is another big gap between M7 and H/S.
    And when it comes to specialties, 17 out of the top 20 unis in the Shanghai ranking are American. Oxford ranks at number 10 with a score of 56.1/100 compared to Harvard’s 100/100. Personally, I would say Oxford is a great university. But is it playing in the H/S/P league? No, especially not when it comes to MBA or College admissions. Further, the average acceptance rate for Oxford’s grad-schools is around 30%. That’s pretty different compared to the top US schools.

  • coco

    don’t worry sir, I’ll write to INSEAD to hold up its boys and keep them out of the street ;:)

  • Carlos

    Then what bothers you if they like their school? I suggest you to contribute to the discussion rather than just senselessly shouting your judges everywhere! In fact, I see it very cool and good to see any students loyal and talking about their school,

  • Plutus

    Wherever I look on forums (poets and quants, WSO, Businessweek, Beat the GMAT, etc.) I always see these types of comments about INSEAD. The comments are usually things like “the HBS of Europe” or “Better than LBS” and many others. From my perspective, INSEAD students/alumni/fan-boys obviously have a huge chip on their shoulder about their status in the world, and it is a pretty big turn off for applicants. While I usually don’t take comments like these to seriously (also comments such as the Booth hype, CBS bashing vs ‘M7’, HBS idolization, etc), the INSEAD people take this to a whole new level. Do yourself and your school a favor and stay off the message boards.

  • Doma

    The elitist and the most sought after jobs for an MBA is with MBBs, so, why not to assess the quality of any MBA program by that measure?! It is clearly the best measure ever.

  • Patrick

    I agree on US been attractive overall, but european institutions still has their portion of advancing science and technology. Just to mention the CERN lab, Higgs achievements and many more. Asian universities! are you serious?! It is only university of Tokyo that can be compared to the leaders in europe and US, the remaining universities are away behind. I would suggest you to look into the shanghai ranking of the world’s universities, it is at the moment the most credible in term of pure science and academic knowledge. Yes, overall, and in generic words, US education is better, but please don’t mislead people when coming to specialties in education, for example, oxford is away better than the majority of US institutions only handful US universities can be compared to Oxbridge. similar thing applied to MBA, I would understand someone choose Harvard, Wharton, or Stanford over INSEAD, but would you recommend any applicant to turn down INSEAD for a program that after 15th place in all rankings?! I do not think so. If I’d conclude my point here, don’t think all MBAs in US better just because they are in US! and when talking about MBA, the prospective student should care about what the industry’s professional know and believe NOT the street people’s perception.

  • heyholetsgo

    I was at a BCG campus presentation and they said BCG’s acceptance rate for INSEAD is 96%…. So I would assume there are quite a few consultants. However, I would be cautious to assess MBA quality by MBB placement. As MBB offices are mostly recruited locally, INSEAD placement might not be comparable to LBS placement and certainly not comparable to placement in the US…

  • heyholetsgo

    We are talking about the unis in the 21st century. In the 18th century, central Europe and Germany especially was a hotbed for natural sciences, social sciences and philosophy. But things change. At the latest after WW2 when most great scientists emigrated to the US (amongst others also Einstein) central European universities lagged clearly behind American universities. It is not just about the money. It is who you attract and there is no doubt in my mind that the best and the brightest come to Ivy League plus in the US, a couple might find their way to Oxbridge & LSE but the rest in Europe cannot compare. The mighty have fallen and frankly if I had to bet on schools that might be able to compete with the Ivies, they are probably in Asia and not in Europe…

  • Patrick

    I just want to remind you that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton are modeled on Oxford and Cambridge!! I wanted to remind you that Albert Einstein been educated and graduate at Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, I want to remind you of names such as Sorbonne, Cologne, Karolinska, and many many more. However, I would agree in the term of endowment american institutions has no peer on how much money they have!

  • Sali

    I meant the business professionals and recruiters, NOT the street people, if you want the view of streets people and grandmoms, Oxford, Sorbonne are the world’s houses of wisdom!! Don’t confuse between MBA education and Other academic reputation.

  • Nora

    so, you are trying to compare LBS placement in consulting with INSEAD!!! in a statement by BW ranking editor, even Harvard and Stanford are away behind INSEAD in consulting, let alone lower regarded schools!

  • LBSer

    Lara, have a look at the latest LBS employment report and you will see that LBS is just as strong in consulting as it is in finance.

  • bro

    In Europe they do not see Insead as head to head with Harvard.

  • LBSer

    The booth/harvard comparison is simply incorrect. Both schools attract the same calibre of students and many receive offers from both or only apply to one or the other, as they are so different. This is not the case for Booth and Harvard.

    Consistently being a the top of rankings has generated very strong prestige and momentum for LBS.

    John, if you are interested in comparing MBB placement have a look at the latest employment reports for both schools (google). Both are very strong, and roughly in line with each other. LBS doesn’t show how many are sponsored but the % is significantly lower than at INSEAD. Do the calculations and form your own view, don’t base it on biased comments on an internet forum.

  • Completely misleading including the international BW rankings in this table. So few schools are listed that it distorts the overall table. Only 19 schools managed to get included in the ranking making it more of a listing than anything else.

    Take Mannheim for example: a good school in Germany and a ranking of 12/19 is pretty average considering the others in the BW ranking. But to consider that this really means that they are the 12th best international school is ludicrous, especially when it boosts them above somewhere like IIM! Few people would consider Mannheim top tier even in Europe…

    This table is a good way of measuring US schools where most schools have a value in most of the columns, but when there are so many NR’s this becomes a statistically flawed methodology:

  • john

    Faria, you make a point regarding the confusion between LSE and LBS, and the brand name being less strong for LBS, however your reasoning is a bit confusing : in terms of students choice, LBSer is right when he/she says that it is wrong to say that ‘nobody choose it over INSEAD’. I actually have no example of people (over a sample of, say, 50 people) going to LBS because they were not accepted by INSEAD. Therefore, your comparison to Chicago Booth/Harvard is incorrect, although I can imagine you may like the idea of describing INSEAD as Europe’s Harvard. I mean, that’s human. However, ask someone in the street if he knows INSEAD… INSEAD has a stronger alumni network in general because it has been at the top for several decades, and it is bigger, while LBS has been going up in the ranking during the last decade only, from what I know.

    Can someone compare the placement of LBS and INSEAD in the big three consulting firms, taking into account that more people are sponsored by them at INSEAD at the entrance ? I quickly gave it look lately, and over the last couple of years, I am pretty sure that the difference is very small (in relative number, since INSEAD has 800 students per class, I think) and the conclusion that LBS is “a finance school” would be different…

  • Lara

    LBS is a finance school while INSEAD is a comprehensive business school, this is the difference, INSEAD strong in many aspects of management, general management, international management, consulting, corporate, and finance, but LBS is strong in finance only, thus it could be good school for someone want to be financial analyst or so, but to produce a global entrepreneur, to generate a global CEO, to produce the international leader, those things are in INSEAD, and that fact what sets INSEAD apart from the competition and away ahead of London School of Finance!

  • Faria

    Yes, as I said, just like Chicago Booth, most rankings put it ahead of Harvard, however, it is very hard to find someone turn down HBS for Booth! It is exactly same thing with LBS and INSEAD!! INSEAD has the brand and the prestige while london lacks those two things, the confusion with LSE, and other london based institutions makes it very hard to stand out by its own name and brand.

  • LBSer

    You said “no one really choose it over INSEAD”. To which I answered
    “I chose LBS over INSEAD, as did many of my fellow students”. Thus
    invalidating a statement, which is outright inaccurate, and also represents your personal view, not that of the ‘business world’. The issue is rather 2 years vs. 1 year, France vs. London etc.

    The “Business world” you speak of ranks LBS number 1 in three out of the four rankings used for this article.

  • Faria

    you are a student at LBS and this is your view. I am talking about the business world’s view! INSEAD is always far ahead of IMD, IE, IESE..let alone LBS!

  • heyholetsgo

    I am from Europe too and I have to say that INSEAD is NOT a huge name for the general public. Ask somebody on the street and he/she will not know what it is. Most people think LSE has the best MBA program, although the school doesn’t even offer one.
    As much as Americans do not really consider European achievements, Europeans are also incredibly smug about their education. I read multiple German language publications that said German speaking schools such as Mannheim or St. Gallen are world class, although most rankings would disagree.

    Also, I have to agree with John. Of course, European B-Schools predominately recruit from Europe (same with Australia…), but although MBB would beg to differ, getting into the NYC McKinsey office is ten times harder than getting into the Munich counterpart. This is due to the fact that NYC attracts the best people from all around the world whereas Munich attracts the best regional talent- a big difference.

  • LBSer

    I chose LBS over INSEAD, as did many of my fellow students that got offers from both. In my view Prestige and brand is better at LBS.

  • ahmed


    Thank you for your valuable website and information. I’ve question in regard to certain program at MIT Sloan, but you didn’t mention it before, at Sloan they offer a MSMS (master of science in management studies), it is one year program, the interesting thing about it is that they mention that the program is offered particularly to the graduates of the top non-us mba program, who want to go further in deepening their knowledge in certain area. It looks like fantastic combination for any student, if I was offered a seat in an international one year mba program, then follow it by the MIT MSMS one year program, thats make total two year earning two degrees! Do you think this option would be better than earning a two year top US MBA! I just wonder why not so many student consider this option if they want the best of the two world!?

  • Hu Jintao

    ISB is a good school, but the others are so rude and they do not let it play with them!

  • Sali

    Except INSEAD, I agree. In europe, they look to INSEAD as a head to head to Harvard.

    Another point: P&Q is becoming more and more influencing on business education, in fact, some leading schools start publishing the P&Q ranking on their websites once released. Therefore, I’d expect the ranking to be very sensitive to its customers and to do extremely well in trying to address the flaws of the rankings.

    If you do rank with previous idea that US schools by default are the best, I’m afraid this will affect the result. Yes, all people do agree that business education has its heaviness in US, but this fact does NOT mean that there aren’t other schools in the outsider world that may be better. I know P&Q still doesn’t have its own ranking, but they fill a gap in the ranking market. I would expect them to be fair in evaluating the great schools outside US such as INSEAD.

  • JohnAByrne

    If you’ve been through the site, you’ll know that this is a fairly controversial and provocative topic. I believe that there are many exceptional business schools outside the U.S., including LBS, INSEAD, IESE, IMD and others. But the U.S. remains in a league of its own on business education given the number of long established programs, the value of a global higher education brand, the quality of the teaching faculty and support infrastructure, the high demand for MBA graduates, the very rich endowments, and the deep alumni networks. If you were to combine these rankings where would LBS and INSEAD be in relationship to Harvard, Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, Wharton et al? Hard to say.

    Based on my experience, I would put LBS and INSEAD in the top ten, but probably toward the bottom. If you plan to stay in Europe and make your career in London, Paris or Frankfurt, there may be less a difference between LBS/INSEAD and a Chicago or Northwestern. That means there is still a big difference even in Europe among HBS, Stanford and Wharton and those schools. And if you plan to make your career in the U.S., there’s no doubt in my mind that any top ten U.S. school is a better bet than INSEAD or London. What do others think?

  • JohnAByrne

    The main reason why BW separates these rankings is because a completely different set of corporate recruiters go to the European and the Asian schools. Mostly the same companies, yes, but different recruiters. That makes it difficult to get a consistent read on the schools and would tend to penalize the non-U.S. schools if they were put together. The reason: far greater numbers of MBAs are being recruited in the U.S. by these companies and BW’s methodology would naturally hurt markets where fewer numbers of MBAs are recruited. That’s not true when they are separate.

  • JohnAByrne

    Absolutely. Just fixed it.

  • deadlycat

    42. Queen’s University should be 4th in the BW, not Forbes

  • ISB-Amit

    ISB should be in the top 10. I can’t take these rankings seriously.

  • Faria

    London Business Schools and INSEAD just like Chicago booth and Harvard even if it been ranked #1, no one really choose it over INSEAD! the lack of prestige and brand is killing them!

  • simone

    Only american publications separate. Financial Times and economist don’t. However, it is really interesting to look into BW, they only separate the Full time MBA ranking, and mix all the other rankings such as executive education. If I would guess, it is due to the desire of american publication to preserve the US schools from the competition and to insist the image that they are ahead of the others. But, with Financial Times ranking, the applicants and prospective students know really what the good schools are!. Wall Street used to publish a global ranking, they stopped in 2007, I believe it is due to some influence from top american schools. It is a syndrome with most american mentalities, they don’t recognize the world outside the US! having said that, I’d admit that the MBA industry has been invented in the US, and hence, the one would expect them to lead the industry, only few international and europen schools are in the same level of top US schools, INSEAD, LBS, and IMD are without question comparable to the top US schools! we should also, admit that most excellent international schools has been established with hep and cooperation from many us schools, for example IESE with HBS, and in fact, INSEAD itself is been established by Harvard alumni and professors, and till today they maintain a very close cooperation to the degree some people say, if you want harvard two years program go to Harvard, and you if you want harvard one year program go to insead. In conclusion, I’d say that Financial times global ranking is the best available international ranking, it is audited and very reliable despite some strange results!

  • heyholetsgo

    Can someone tell me why all the rankings separate US and non-US Business Schools? Is it because US Business Schools are in a league of their own? Where would LBS and INSEAD stand in the US ranking?