HBS Apps Up 6%, Topping 10,000 Mark

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Harvard Business School graduation for the Class of 2016

Harvard Business School Class Profiles

 

CategoryClass of 2019Class of 2018Class of 2017Class of 2016
Applications10,3519,7599,6869,543
Acceptance Rate11%11%11%12%
Enrolled Students941942948940
Yield91%90%90%90%
Women42%43%41%41%
International35%35%34%35%
U.S. Ethnic Minorities26%26%28%25%
Average Age27272727
Countries Represented70696472
Median GMAT Score730730730730
GMAT Range700-770*690-760*510-790580-790
STEM Undergrads36%38%36%39%
Econ/Biz Undergrads45%41%45%42%
Humanities/Social Science Undergrads19%21%19%19%
North America69%68%71%67%
U.S.65%65%66%65%
Asia14%14%14%14%
Europe10%11%9%10%
South & Central America4%5%3%5%
Africa2%1%1%3%
Oceana1%1%2%1%
Venture Capital & Private Equity15%15%17%17%
Consulting16%15%16%18%
Financial Services11%11%11%14%
High Tech/Communications15%15%14%13%
Government/Education/Non-Profit7%8%9%8%
Healthcare/Biotech7%6%7%7%
Consumer Products6%7%6%5%
Energy/Extractive Minerals6%7%6%5%
Industrial/Heavy Manufacturing5%5%5%4%
Military5%5%5%4%
Other Services7%6%4%5%

Source: HBS preliminary class profiles Notes: * HBS stopped reporting the full range of GMAT scores last year and only provides the middle 80% range

 

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  • what’s the real yield %?

    The question is yield… Enrolled 941, offers 1,087 –> 941/1,087 = 86.6%
    Do you know why the yield reported is 91%?

  • Not that I can vouch for all those gymnastics in the numbers but I love your analysis!

  • C. Taylor

    OK, so I couldn’t resist.

    HBS 90th percentile is 780, meaning 10% or more scored 780 (see my preceding post here). Based on the GMAC distribution data, between approx 800 and 1,100 people score 780 or higher each year, the world over.

    So HBS is admitting 94 or more 780+ scorers each year. Based on that, HBS is admitting between 8% and 12% or more of the worldwide population of 780+ scorers.

    But wait, not everyone targets an MBA. GMAC says only 2/3 test scores were sent to MBA programs. Assuming an even distribution of scores between programs HBS is then admitting 13% to 18% of the worldwide pop. of 780+ scorers going for an MBA.

    But wait, GMAC says younger people–who are more likely to target master programs–tend to score higher. So assuming GMAC’s numbers are accurate, HBS could easily be admitting 15% to 30% of the worldwide population of 780+ scorers going for an MBA.

    But not everyone applies to HBS. If we assume 50% apply to HBS, then HBS could easily be admitting 30% to 60% of all applicants who score 780+.

    What is the exact number? Can’t tell you. But I’d bet at least 20-25%. And 50% plus is very reasonable. Score a 780+ and you are doubling or quadrupling your odds–or better.

    hbsguru:”THE ADMIT RATE OF ALL APPLICANTS APPLYING WITH GMAT SCORE OVER 770????”

  • Just read the story: “Harvard’s increase, however, did not significantly change the school’s acceptance rate which equals 10.5%, slightly less than last year’s 11%. If rounded up, as HBS reported the number, it comes to 11%. The school made offers to 1,087 applicants this year and enrolled an incoming class of 941, just a tad below the 942 on HBS’ preliminary profile list from last year.”

  • C. Taylor

    Hey Guru,

    An appropriately selected average in the context of ‘the middle 80%’ would be the median (aka 50th percentile). So the middle 80% is referring to the scorers between the 90th percentile and the 10th percentile scores.

    As 4201 was probably getting at–and you here surmised–the actual percentile at 780 might be the 85th percentile, but a high number of 780 scores also puts the 90th percentile at 780. It would be rare that exactly all 780 scorers are included.

    So what this means is 10%–or more–of the population in question scored at or above 780. It could be 15% who scored at or above 780. However, the standard approach is to present either the 10th and 90th percentiles, or the 25th and 75th percentiles. In the context of being admitted, the middle 80% might be more significant than the middle 50%.

    The next level of transparency we’d all enjoy would be to provide admits some average of acceptance rates at each score. Say over the last three years.

    Better than that, simply set hurdle rates and stop this GMAT inflation nonsense. E.g. 600+, 720+.

  • GMAT quant question

    Applications increased from 9,759 to 10,351.
    same acceptance rate.
    enrolled students decreased from 942 to 941.

    looks like more students declined offers from HBS.

    Why the yield increased from 90% to 91%?

  • crm023

    Nvm, I was able to find the answer. Getting all the questions right gets you a 51 raw score

  • hbsguru

    “What happens if you get every question right?”
    A buzzer goes off and the lights flash and a guy in a huge bow tie comes out from behind a curtain and gives you a handful of discount coupons at Disney Land.
    No big deal but when you get home there will be lots of scouts from quant hedge funds in your driveway telling you to skip business school and just start making money.

  • crm023

    When you say “perfect quant score”, what do you mean? I was under the impression that the highest possible GMAT raw score was 60 for verbal and 60 for quant. Yet I’ve never seen anyone get higher than 52 on quant and 50 on verbal. What happens if you get every question right? Would that correspond with a 60 raw score?

  • 4201

    A higher education institution be transparent? Surely you jest…

    Good points, though. There’s a lot of money to be made if someone can crack the admissions data problem in a more rigorous way.

  • KimUN

    in recent years, HBS is pretty much a high school, you feel so when you visit them, unlike Stanford, MIT, or Wharton, where you meet much mature people and likable personalities. It is quite sad to see this race for a higher numbers on the expense of the quality.

  • hbsguru

    thanks, some useful data and ~data but I’m sticking w. the program in the case of the 800 GMAT, altho, sure, this is mostly much ado about a very tiny cohort.

    As to 800’s: Derrick Bolton, the famous Stanford Adcom, once said that admit rate for 800 scores at Stanford in previous year (a while ago) was 0-3. This was a while ago, but point is, there were only 3 800 scores. I see perfect Q scores on GMAT all the time, but perfect Q AND V scores are pretty rare, altho sure, if anyone has any data, ahem, from official sources, please do say.
    I respect MBADATA guy but his 16% admit figure for 800 GMATs at HBS is a projection and based on self-reporting by applicants. That can become more random-y at the end of a Bell curve and 800 is the dead end dot.
    Dunno, if I had an 800 GMAT and was admitted to HBS, not sure how motivated I’d be to post on MBADATA (ditto if I got dinged).

    As to the bigger categories, GMAT 780-790-800 [not 760+ which you analyze, and is a way bigger group], and the very group HBS is on record as saying =
    either 93 or 103 admits, it would an interesting question what success rate is for that group. All we need to know is how many of ALL applicants had GMATs over 770.
    Kellogg once published, a long time ago, a breakout of total applications/admits for GMAT scores at every step from 690-800. One of these days when I really clean house, I’ll try to come up with that. I seem to recall percent admits on steps 750, 760, 770, 780, 790, 800 (e.g. all applicants with that score vs. admits) kept going up. There may not have been ANY 800s. that year, btw.
    Anyway, in this age of so-called transparency and consumer service, B schools could do the world a big favor and be more open with data like that.
    sk

  • 4201

    I think you’re greatly overestimating the admit rate for the atmospheric GMAT cohort. The best data I can find suggests a 16% admit rate for an applicant with a score of 800:
    http://www.mbadataguru.com/blog/admissions/harvard-business-school-acceptance-rate-analysis/

    And this really doesn’t surprise me for a few reasons:
    1. Math. 760 – 800 scores represent the top 1% of applicants; this is about 2,400 people given the number of test takers annually (247,432 in 2017). You can bet that almost all of these people are applying to HBS, which means that mathematically, if HBS were only turning away half of the people with these astronomical GMATs, they’d have a full class without even dipping into the sub-760 cohort. Alternatively, suppose that 780-800 scores represent a quarter of the 760-800 cohort. That would mean that the top 10% of admitted students (103 by your estimate) is about 17% of the approximately 600 applicants with 780s and up.
    2. Optics. I’m sure if HBS wanted, they could have a much higher median GMAT overnight. But would this serve them well? Having an even higher median GMAT score would likely even further discourage a large pool of potential applicants with comparatively low scores. This would hurt their application numbers and therefore their admissions rate.
    3. Practicality. By the GMAC’s own admission, two students’ scores have to differ by at least 41 points before one can conclude a difference in the abilities measured by the GMAT. This means that scores of 730 and 770 are statistically identical outcomes.

  • Hahaha

    If you are Asian-American, don’t bother applying to HBS. You have a better chance at Stanford and Booth.

  • hbsguru

    ” I would guess the admissions rate for applicants with an 800 is around
    20%, which is to say the 800 kid is about twice as likely to get in
    compared to the applicable pool at-large.”
    I think admit rate for 800 GMATs could be more like 50 or even 100 percent, and the rate of the entire 780, 790, 800 cohort (94 admits) is more like 30-40 percent. Altho just guessing. At HBS, you can always, and often for very quirky and odd reasons, flunk interview, and about 40 percent of those interviewed do, not sure high GMAT score buys you much mercy if interview is not to HBS liking.

  • 4201

    This is splitting hairs a bit, but I would venture to guess that the top 10% of the distribution actually includes quite a few 780s in addition to the 790s and 800s. Suppose for example that in a group of 1,000 people, the top 10 people get 800s, the next 10 got 790s, and the next 100 people got 780s. The top end of middle 80% range would still be 780 with 20 people inside the range and 80 people outside the range.

    To answer your last question, I would guess the admissions rate for applicants with an 800 is around 20%, which is to say the 800 kid is about twice as likely to get in compared to the applicable pool at-large.

  • hbsguru

    also above figures in story suggest that there were ~105 kids who were admitted to HBS AND DID NOT ATTEND.
    Any guesses on what those kids did?
    Ahem,
    — attended some “other” business school,
    — took holy orders,
    –framed admit letter and put in basement while continuing to work on killer dating app,
    –thought about becoming admissions consultant (since they now ‘knew’ the drill),
    –OTHER ???

  • hbsguru

    BRAIN TEASER FOR STAT TYPES:
    STORY ABOVE REPORTS THAT “MIDDLE” 80PCT OF GMAT SCORES FALL INTO 700-780
    atho story is unclear if that is 80pct is of ALL admitted or ALL enrolled class, but we move on.
    What conclusions can you draw from that?
    A. 10 pct of admitted/enrolled group have GMATs over 780 and 10 pct of group have GMATs under 700
    (bear in mind, 10pct of group is either 94 or 103 kids, either way, that is a lot of kids w. +780 GMATS!!!, ahem that means 790 or 800!!)

    B. More of that missing 20 percent is probably on the over 780 side because, duh, what HBS means is not “MIDDLE” GMAT score but average GMAT score, and hello, a 640 score brings down the average a lot more than a 790 brings it up. And WOW, not matter how you shake it, 94 or 103 kids w. GMATs over 780 is mind blowing and if that turns out to be more like 150 kids, well . . . .
    C. Come on, HBS means median score, and that means well just 94 or 103 kids in the class with GMATs over 780.

    D. They mean “780 or above” for the top 10 pct. Not over 780, viz. 790 or 800.

    E. The person who compiles these numbers for HBS is some moderately paid, normal person in the adcom who is trying to do a good job but is not in danger of being hired away by leading quant derivative trading firm. And neither is SK.

    F. I am creating a problem where none exists just to be cute. “Middle” GMAT scores means if you list all the GMAT scores of the admitted group from highest to lowest, and number them 1-941, well the middle 80 pct means numbers 95-857 with 10 pct above that 10 percent below that, that means 94 kids w. GMATs either 790 or 800 and GET OVER IT.

    Folks, I have always said that GMATs count and are counting more — and the rise of midddle gmat 80%

    from 690-760 to 700-770 is something of a big deal. I see a fair number of 760 in my practice and 770 is not a shocker, I do see some 780s and above but the fact that that group now makes up 10 percent of the HBS class, is a mild shock.

    WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS THE ADMIT RATE OF ALL APPLICANTS APPLYING WITH GMAT SCORE OVER 770????
    ANY GUESSES??? I think it is higher than 11 percent.

  • Princeton Graduate

    Oh, thanks for the note, wise guy. We certainly didn’t know that.

  • M7Bound

    These numbers indicate that Harvard was and always will remain the perennial powerhouse in terms of attracting the most interest from candidates. Bravo!