Leading Through COVID: A B-School Dean Tells It Like It Is

UNC Kenan-Flagler Business School Dean Doug Shackelford

The pandemic has tested leadership like few other crises. And in higher education, where social interaction is crucial to learning, the challenge for business school deans and other administrators may well be the single biggest obstacle they have ever faced. Everything, from the safety and health of students, staff and faculty to school budgets, has been impacted.

Just ask UNC Kenan-Flagler Business School Dean Doug Shackelford who is more candid than most about the difficulties posed by COVID 19. “When I’m sitting around in a nursing home talking about the good old days, I’m not going to be talking about 2020,” says Shackelford flatly. “As far as I’m concerned, you can take 2020 and stuff it in your wastebasket. It’s been hard, hard on all of us.”

Like many other business schools, Kenan-Flagler pushed all its in-person classes online early after announcing intentions for a hybrid approach for the fall semester. But several clusters of COVID cases on the UNC campus led to the decision to go fully virtual. The school does not expect to return to an on-campus format until June of this year if then, depending on the state of the pandemic. Admissions is now accepting alternate test scores, including SAT and ACT results, along with the LSAT and MCAT, in lieu of a GMAT or a GRE as long as the test has been taken during the past seven years.  


“It has been like nothing I have ever experienced,” concedes Shackelford, who has largely worked from home in a recreated office from a bedroom. At best, he goes on campus once or twice a week.  “But the campus is so deserted it’s just depressing. I go into a building and no one is there. I thrive on the chaos of the students. And I go in and it’s like going to a funeral.I think it is going as well as it could go. But I wouldn’t kid you, this has been tough. 

“On Monday the job is to get to Friday and hope on the weekend that people can regroup and do it again. The mental health issues are rough. People are working from home with little people underfoot concerned about their health and their jobs. Students are not able to be here. I was talking to one of our undergraduates in the spring and he was driving 25 miles each way to sit in the McDonald’s parking lot so he could get internet connectivity. That’s where the ground level is for students who come from remote areas. It’s not just North Carolina. It’s all over the country.”

As business schools continue to grapple with surging cases of COVID-19 in the U.S., most students can expect to largely attend Zoom classes this spring with the hope of a return to normal in the fall. Meantime, faculty, staff and students are trying to make the best of it. “Everybody realizes we are all in this together,” says Shackelford. “This pandemic didn’t strike Chapel Hill. The whole world is in it together. Nobody likes where we’re at, but I’ve been really pleased with the way people have stepped up. When hard times set in, really good people do good things. But it’s hard to be a hero forever.”


In a wide-ranging interview with Poets&Quants, Kenan-Flagler’s dean spoke about the enduring value of the MBA degree, his school’s early entry into the online MBA market, and the future of business education. In higher education, where leaders are too often scripted, rehearsed and politically correct, Shackelford speaks with refreshing candor about the challenges of running a business school when an unprecedented health crisis has upended his school, the country and the world.

On Feb. 1, Shackelford will have been dean of the school for seven years. On the UNC faculty since 1990, he had been instrumental in leading Kenan-Flagler’s online MBA initiative as the associate dean of MBA@UNC. The university is in his DNA. After he graduated from UNC with a B.S. in business in 1980, he worked as a senior tax consultant for Arthur Andersen & Co. in Boston and Greensboro, N.C., from 1981-1985. Shackelford then earned his Ph.D. from the University of Michigan and joined the UNC faculty. He was senior associate dean for academic affairs from 2003-2007, and associate dean of the Master of Accounting (MAC) Program from 1998-2002.

As dean, he is well on his way toward raising $150 million for a new building that will allow the school to double the size of its undergraduate program. Shackelford expects to break ground for it by the summer of 2022, with the intention to open in the fall of 2024. And he has continued to expand the school’s online MBA enrollment, also launching an online master’s in accounting, with 2U Inc., Kenan-Flagler’s corporate partner in both online degree programs.


While the pandemic has posed major challenges for him, it also led to a massive 43% rise in MBA applications to 1,903 applicants from 1,324 a year earlier, a windfall that has resulted in a much larger incoming class of full-time MBAs. The class that started in the fall totals 344 students, up 37% over last year’s 252. Shackelford thinks it is too early to say whether the current surge of applicants will last, but he also doesn’t believe anyone should be writing an obituary for full-time MBA programs, either.

“I was never on the ‘MBA is dying’ story,” he says. “People would tell me, ‘it’s dead, Doug. Give it up.’ The unemployment rate is 3.5%. I’ve got my own kids saying they would be fools to get an MBA because they were already making too much money and getting promoted. I remain very bullish on an MBA, whatever version you want to get. If you are 20-something and look out 40 years in the future, tell me if you can find something you can get a better return on? I do think we were going through a period of low unemployment. We weren’t willing to lower our standards to fill up our classes. If COVID hadn’t struck, we would have had a record low number for this class. From May 1 to July 1, the applications just poured in. Nothing like that will ever happen again. My phone was ringing off the hook. One person called me saying, ‘I am 34. I’ve been intending to get an MBA for the last six years. Am I too old? And then 24 hours later, a 22-year-old asked if he was too young. ‘Send in your applications,’ I said. We admitted both of them and they both came.”

The dean says that just about anyone could simply read a set of books or take a bunch of MOOCs to get the equivalent of an MBA. “I could go to the library and read books and get a Ph.D. in biochemistry,” he says. “It is sitting right there for me and it has been sitting there for 40 years. I can get it all free off the internet right now. But the things I have accomplished have all been done in a social setting. When I talk to alums, my first question is, ‘Tell me about your experience at North Carolina?’ They never tell me that their first accounting class changed their life. But what they all tell you is that ‘I went through the class with Jim and he was in my wedding and I don’t make any decisions without calling him.’ It is something that happens during a formative period in life. In many ways, they get the confidence and courage to be more than they thought they could be before they went into that experience. And most of us have a professor or two who took an interest in us and drove us to a point where you started a business or did something special. That is the magic. There are some people who are so self-driven that they can go to the library and get a Ph.D. in biochemistry. The bulk of us doesn’t have that kind of self-discipline.”


When Shackelford led the initiative to launch the school’s online MBA in 2011, Kenan-Flagler became the highest-ranked business school with an online degree offering. Today, competition abounds, with the University of Michigan, Carnegie Mellon University’s Tepper School of Business, and many more schools competing in an increasingly crowded market. What has the school learned by being in the online space for what will be ten years this summer?

“We learned there was a market for great students out there who were not being served,” he says. “They are really an unserved market of great students because they need certain flexibility in their lives that we don’t provide with our full, part-time or weekend programs. We also learned that they will pay high tuition if they get a great program. So we found a market and a way to serve that market.

“We also found out it’s really hard to do. It’s hard to develop courses and hard to teach. I remember when we put it together, we said it will take 100 hours to create a course. And it took about four times that. We also have not found a way to do a world-class education cheaply. How can we just expand this thing and slash the price point? Our traditional teaching had a lot of useless stuff in it. Because when you convert, you have to question every joke and every example. When you are working with instructional designers, they will ask, ‘how does that connect to the point you are trying to make?'”

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